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Best I could find was this http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/small-trailer-leaflet/small-trailer-leaflet.pdf

Would the total MAM then be over 3.5 tonnes? Would the total MAM be over 7.5 tonnes? Does it go more than 50 KM from base?

treequip I bow to your greater understanding of this My knowledge is very limited on O licence issues so I can only go on what I THINK it says and not what I KNOW it says Tacho and weight issues are much more my thing

incorrect If there is no plated weight for a trailer then the tyre load ratings will be used If the chipper trailer weighs 500 actual weight, is not plated but has 4 tyres each rated at 150 then it will be classed as being 600 MAM

Are you certain???? Do you need a goods vehicle operator's licence? | business.scotland.gov.uk The term tractive unit refers to the towing vehicle - it does not refer to what most of us would regard as being an articulated tractor unit Why can't they put things in plain english!!

I thought trailers were like see-saws put a counterbalance weight at the rear of the trailer and the nose weight reduces? That 2700 added to the van GVW will deffo put it into tacho regs but then the exemptions need to be looked into will may take it out again If the unladen weight of the trailer is not more than 1020 and only carrying own goods then I think its exempt O licence

GTW = ACTUAL weight and has nothing to do with GVW or MAM weights As you say - taking it loaded to a weighbridge will show if the GTW is exceeded or not You also correctly surmised that the wall is not goods being delivered but is his equipment being used for his job Also correct was the less than 50 mile radius bit for a MAM combination of under 7.5 tonnes being exempt tacho rules The one thing that might need looking into is the O licence rules but if the trailer is not more than 1020 unladen then that will be an exemption for own goods O licence stuff is not really my bag

That has happened before and you are not legal to drive a C+E if you have not passed the relevant test You will not be insured so that will be 6 points and a fine as well as having the vehicle seized immediately

You did waste £70 because most in the UK can get a LGV medical for £50 Just google LGV medicals

Not a grey area - they are under seperate rules

Land rover defender 90 specs Unladen/kerb = 1750 GVW = 2400 Towing capacity = 3500 On a B licence you can tow a trailer with a max MAM of 1100 I think the Terrano is similar in the weights so find the GVW of it and deduct that from 3500 to give you the max trailer MAM for B licence towing Remember it is the MAM of the trailer and not the actual weight the trailer weighs at the time of towing it

I asked this question of an expert and got a reply Q Business use with a 4x4 GVW 2800 and a trailer 1100 unladen and MAM of 3000 = O licence? A O Licence exempt; dual purpose vehicles and the trailer they draw do not require an o-licence. Had it been a transit or similar then it would have required an O-licence when used for hire and reward carriage (not ‘own account’ work). The bit about trailers with an ULWT exceeding 1020 kg count, those below do not, went in December last year. All trailers now count. You need to look in the definitions of 1986 C&U Regs for what a ‘Dual Purpose’ vehicle is.

Need a link to that please

Do you need a goods vehicle operator's licence? | Business Link Does that mean a B category vehicle with a GVW of 2800 and a trailer MAM plated at 2700 (1100 unladen) making a total of 5500 would need an operator licence?

I wondered if that meant an articulated type of vehicle !!

Trailer MAM = 2700 plus the unladen weight of the Disco (tractive unit?) has got to be over 3500 total so requires an O licence ... yes???

THIS MIGHT HELP

Got a reply from DVLA - I asked this question - Driver passes B in 2000, C in 2004 & CE in 2005 What expiry date is shown for the BE gained by getting the CE? DVLA Email [email protected] to me show details 09:22 (44 minutes ago) Dear Mr ***** Thank you for your email received on 21/3/12. Your email reference number is 880046. I can confirm that the expiry date of the category BE will be the same as the category B. Both entitlements remain valid until the day before the licence holder's 70th birthday, and the dates for this will be shown on the reverse of the photocard. I am unable to release the exact dates via email for security reasons, but if you would like this confirmed then please contact our Customer Enquiry Unit on the number below: Tel: 0300 790 6801 Opening Times: Lines are open Monday to Friday 8.00am to 7.00pm and Saturday 8.00am to 2.00pm. Do not reply to this email. If you wish to contact us again about this response then please use our Reply Form or copy and paste the following URL in to your browser: https://emaildvla.direct.gov.uk/emaildvla/cegemail/directgov/en/reply_form_drivers.html When filling in the form the email reference number 880046 will be required. Regards A Prichard Customer Enquiries Group DVLA

As I stated I am not the expert on this but from my understanding if the total GVW/MAM is under 3500 then no O licence but if over 3500 total GVW/MAM when towing then one might be needed depending on the type of work being done and the unladen weight of the trailer for each type of work AGAIN, I aint the authority on O licences but that is how I see it

Currently looking again into this issue as it seems DVLA & DfT have got it wrong because I have found a few post 1997 car test licence holders who have done CE but not BE and their BEs are expiry dated the same as the B

Also an Operator licence restricted O licence to carry just own stuff but only if trailer is over 1020 kgs UNLADEN full O licence to carry stuff not own but now with any trailer O licence stuff not really my bag so I hope I remembered right ...

Legal on private land then

That needs a B+E licence As its within the GTW then no probs

From my research only the UK used to give the extra entitlements and that changed when we came under EU parliament rules

Most might know this but for those that don't ... All B only licence holders have the B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence That means if they have a supervising driver who has had B+E for at least 3 years and is age over 21 along with L plates and correct B+E learner insurance, they can drive it as a B+E provisional driver A pre 1997 B+E licence holder who got it free with their B test can legally supervise No motorway restrictions Fully loaded is ok If they go for the B+E test then no theory test required - no medical - just a quick read of a number plate, reverse, un/couple and road tests along with a few basic vehicle safety questions The B+E when passed will be valid for as long as their B licence is valid so basically for life Costs and course lengths do vary across the UK. In my area many do 3 half days with test on day 3 for an all inclusive price of £650 - that would be for a first time pass ..... most seem to manage that