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Don't even get me started.

The thing which bugs me the most are the film makers who glorify them.

Irresponsible use of the power of the media in my opinion.....

Aw shucks.....

Likewise, caritool, and one of these at the back for the 460.... STEIN aluminium bent gate karabiner 23kN | F R Jones and Son

Sadly something important has come up and i wont be able to make the climb this saturday hope you have a great day tho with hopefully lovely weather

No worries James

Try to stay awake whilst strimming....?

I presume he meant they didn't do anything that day and had the day off, rather than they'd worked all day and then didn't get paid....

I think this was supposed to be a light hearted thread fellas.... It's all gone a bit 'tits up' in that respect......

Just watched Return Of The Jedi. Disgusted by the distasteful scenes at the end where everyone is celebrating the death of Emperor Palpatine. He may have been divisive, but he was strong and he made decisions and stuck to them, and I think he should get a bit of respect. He was, after all, a little old man who died, when you remove any other context whatsoever.

Have you seen 'Robot Chicken' Star Wars?

The end of it follows Palpatine falling down a big 'ole, recapping his story to 'Teenage Wasteland'... Powerful stuff...

I use an air line with a needle blow gun, 'big wipes' bio spray, stihl resin solvent and aerosol carb cleaner and a paint brush which covers pretty much everything. Plastics get washed in a bucket of warm soapy water on rebuilds. My own saws get a regular blow over to keep them nice.

But I am a thrifty type, I like to make things last. I 'refurbished' a pair of saggy handles off our french doors this morning with new springs and lubrication, rather than £15 fora new set....!

Yes it was me with 3 people watching. 2 workers and a caretaker. The caretaker didn't stay around long. My first thought was what a TW*T. But accidents happen. We dont learn without them and its only going to cost about £200 to fix. One problem is close family and friends keep taking the pee

Quite right too, and if we're all real men around here then you can expand that to include 'people on the internet'....

If I was there I hope my reaction would have been to rip you to bits and left you crying like a little girl....

You voted a black Muslim into office, so when did disliking a fascist white woman count for anything?

Not sure Obama actually is a Muslim.....

Right to but was a great idea the problem is that new council houses weren't built to replace them by the conservatives or by labour leading in part to the housing problems of today.

 

 

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It's not so much that there's a huge shortage, housing associations have continued to increase their stock throughout the period councils have not been building, the problem is the demand, which has climbed steeply over the last 20 years. Too many people want council houses. The why is for another day.....

thanks, to be honest the right to buy thing was a great help to many:thumbup:

Hey, this Maggie Thatcher... Sounds like she wasn't all bad!

we are all either commie lefty scargill lovers or raging far right lunatics by the look of it:biggrin:

:lol: and none of us are right either

It could equally apply to journalism though:001_smile: Saying that...I went out with a correspondent for Sky news who I know always got her facts right and never twisted anything.

What, not even if you were a very good boy...?

theres lies,damn lies and theres journalism ( mark twain I think?)

I believe it was, yes (and Disraeli.....)

From 'terrorist' to tea with the Queen - World - News - The Independent

You wrote, You can quote as much liberal press as you like, it's left wing journalism, not factual account.

 

If you read the article carefully you will see that it directly quotes Tory MPs.

 

That's not left wing journalism that's fact.

 

You wrote, While apartheid was clearly despicable to our western eyes, it's what they had at the time.

 

That's OK then!

 

Didn't see any quotes from Thatcher though, so I'm not sure I see your point...?

Did you see the thread the other day about the copper suing for tripping over?

In the first news report of the day a superior was against the claim.

By the next news report it had been chopped about a bit to imply the complete opposite.

But it was still fact, because he said it.

There's always the truth, but there's always the 'truth' as edited by the press as well. Rarely any unadulterated facts in ANY newspaper..

And ref apartheid, what do you suggest we did instead....? Roll in like we did in Iraq and depose the government? 'Cos that always tuns out well!

I recall some of those "wrong things" she did, possibly the wrongest thing she did was to support Pol Pots Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.

 

However, I can't agree with the logic that giving military assistance to genocidal maniacs is outweighed by her actions crushing the unions.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree there!

Outside my field I'm afraid but reading the article 2 things jumped out.

1. It's from yet another deeply biased left wing publication.

2. Everything seems to have been in place before Thatcher came to power and was principally instigated by the US.

In fact, the only thing I can find in there directly attributable to Thatcher is the headline....?

I agree wholeheartedly that the KR were a nasty bunch, but as citizens we never know the whole picture and things were very different then. We were on the brink of global nuclear war and anything communist was viewed with deep suspicion, so I think looking at the decisions made under those circumstances with post-communist sensibilities it is always going to seem beyond ridiculous that those choices were made.

If you were responsible for the safety of your fellow countrymen, would you support a regime which is one and the same with the country pointing enough nuclear weapons at you to wipe us off the face of the earth, or one which wants civil war in their own country?

On the other side, Chamberlain's policy of appeasement toward Nazi Germany is now so obviously wide of the mark, but at the time it was felt to be the right decision.

It's very easy to criticise, I know, I do it all the time, but it's not so easy to run a country, particularly in unsettled times.

From 'terrorist' to tea with the Queen - World - News - The Independent

You can quote as much liberal press as you like, it's left wing journalism, not factual account.

Governments all cosy up together. If they all turned against each other there would be global war without end.

Different nations behave in different ways.

While apartheid was clearly despicable to our western eyes, it's what they had at the time.

It would have been bonkers to fire up against them.

Regimes come and go, the best and most lasting change is when it's implemented by the people, that's what happened in South Africa. The west didn't save them, they did it themselves with a little support from the west.

The ANC (their military arm anyway) did some naughty things, Church Street Bombing for instance. I don't recall the Tories blowing up working men's clubs in the late 90's, so the ANC's terrorist tag wasn't entirely undeserved..

We all have different opinions. Mine is that she wasn't all bad and in many respects was brilliant. Some things she did were wrong but were outweighed by the good things she did, principally crushing the vile unions and letting the military sort out the Falklands.

The world is changing all the time, some embrace it, others fight it, some do well, some suffer, but it's a fact of life and every generation will experience it.

Those who think they can prevent or control change are wrong. Those who believe that everyone can live in harmony are wrong.

We're all going to suffer in our lives to some degree or other.

The measure of us is how we deal with it.

Banging on here about how terrible Maggie was 20 years on strikes me as a little bit feeble. Things obviously aren't that bad for you if you have a computer or smartphone to surf the Internet on.

The company I work for was started in the Thatcher era, enabled even, by a normal lad who didn't go to university, wasn't a toff and had no connections.

Even now the things she put on place for those who wanted to work are benefitting me and my children.

I have to respect her for that.

Just in case anyone isn't bored. This is a great article.

 

Mark Steel: You can't just shut us up now that Margaret Thatcher's dead - Comment - Voices - The Independent

Started to read it, got to the second sentence and the first gross factual inaccuracy and didn't read any further. It will be more of the same poorly researched limp wristed liberal drivel pushed by the independent.

For the record (and it's easy to check, shame Mark Steel is too lazy to bother, although I suppose that's to be expected) she didn't label Mandela a terrorist.

What actually happened was that the ANC used violence against the apartheid government as the only way they could be heard. Many countries had sanctions against SA and the UK basically said that if the ANC stopped their terrorism style activities and focused on political, and if the white government released Mandela, the UK would invest. F W DeKlerk released Mandela and the rest, as we know, is history.

So actually, what Maggie did was to help get Mandela released.

But I wouldn't expect the facts to get in the way of any good 'ole liberal / socialist Thatcher bashing...

I wear glasses and am often thankful when they deflect something that would otherwise have gone into my eye.

Likewise, but even then with bins and visor I still end up with crud in my eyes.

Going blind is one of my greatest fears!

 

Strangely I have not heard one Iota about the Poll Tax?

 

Perhaps Egnsean is right and we have too many Juniors adding comments, the Poll Tax was her biggest unfair move IMO, It was crippling for me but I dont Hate her for it!?

Presumably because 'the people won' on that one....?

Maggie was ousted and it was dumped and replaced with council tax which taxes you more heavily for having a higher value property rather than the flat rate of the community charge, the logic behind at least the basic original principlal I can follow. I was too young to pay the 'poll tax' BT I remember it being implemented. I remember the subsequent banding of my parents home as well.

:001_smile:Well maybe I should have said poor people.

:lol: in that case there's hope for toffs everywhere!

Don't think we'll make the breakfast mate. Probably go to the site. Cheers for the offer though.

That's fine, figured as much.

Quick point here, the UKIP support largely comes from the "working class"

For it is they who probably are affected most by UKIP's main hobby horse, immigration.

I never had Nigel Farage down as a working class hero....

And let's not forget that the working class is now a far smaller group that it was according to the BBC class survey.....

Voting Ukip will make the others sit up and take notice, then they will change their polices.

 

Remember the Greens?? they were getting lots of votes, so what happened?? the other parties became more green:sneaky2:

Only if it takes votes away from ALL parties, which I don't feel it will. Only conservative based parties will be interested in the ukip vote I reckon, the core left / socialist vote & parties are well out of this Europe debate. If the euro-sceptic conservative parties start bickering amongst themselves the door is open for the Labour Party to sweep back in. Europe is a federal socialist utopia, the Labour Party will NEVER turn it's back on that...

Good post except for one major flaw, Libreral , Labour or conservative, they're different bricks but the same mortar! mere puppets of big businesss...

True, it's the voters which differ, not the politicians. Although the politicians are virtually all identikit, a heavily lobbied labour mp will take a different path to a heavily lobbied Tory.

Take the hunting ban, prime example. Would never have happened under the Tories. But of course so long as they're tied to the liberals, there's nothing they can do about it.

My personal opinion is that for the greater good we need a government which is capitalist, centre right, euro-sceptic. Liberalism would be bad because we would be taken advantage of by other nations, socialism would be bad because we get taken advantage of from within.

So that leaves us with the Tories who, for all their innumerable faults, do come down on the side of only getting what you earn but anyone can have a crack at earning. I couldn't really given a hoot what they get up to in their personal lives so long as I can make decent honest living with minimal interference.

Thinking we'll leave early Saturday morning:001_smile:

No problem. Do you want me to book you a breakfast or are you planning a slightly more leisurely start?

hallo dude, im camping as you know and ive emailed you. look forward to it!!

Yup, got you down Arran

Ill be camping please dont need much room only a small tent lol

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I'm afraid I can't make this one as uks tallest trees has been snapping my weekends up so next weekend I will be taking the misses and bubba to capel manor. Sorry mate hopefully next time.

 

 

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No worries Joe. Long way to come for one day.

I spoke to Plippy and I think we're still popping over.

Saturday morning or Friday night Tom?