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My concern with ukip is that the're a one trick pony.

Assuming they get in rather than split the vote enough to let that slimy little twerp red Ed, union bitch, sneak in, and they get us out of Europe.

Then what? Not sure their ability to properly implement policies is up to it yet.

The real answer, if you want out of Europe, is to lobby your Conservative MP.

Write to them a lot, if enough people say they want it, they'll go with it, if they genuinely believe it's a vote winner.

Right now the europhile voice is louder, doesn't mean they're the majority, just that they lobby harder.

There are Tory mp's who want a referendum, Bill Wiggin is one. He told that there isn't one on the cards because too many mp's think they need to stay in.

If enough constituents can convince their own mp we just may get one.

That's how a democracy works, I get eternally frustrated how few people use their right to lobby to it's full extent.

Mp's aren't all bad you know, some of them do give a toss and will spare time to help if you ask.

ROBARB appoligies i never know where and when to use them so dont bother

Nothing wrong with your spelling though!

Love this! Watched it twice!

Just down the road from us is this.... Red Marley Hill Climb

Sadly cancelled this year but it's good fun, lots of the entrants are real old boys on some pretty aged metal. They have some serious balls and ability though....

Can anyone who intends to camp just confirm so I can work out where I can pitch you please lads?

Weather, according to the excellent Yr.No site shows perfect weather, clear, sunny, not too hot.... fingers crossed!

You are the agent, land owner is the applicant.

Everything is the responsibility of the applicant, the agent is simply an administrative role.

Basic planning principles.

This article is worth a read, The Great Miners Strike 1984-5: Twelve Months that Shook Britain: the Story of the Strike | Workers' Liberty irrespective of which side of the fence you sit on, it's very well written and, some of the deeply biased socialist language aside (which is to be expected) it's well quoted and resourced.

But as this is the socialist account of it, an unbiased view would be damming.

There's a line towards the end stating that the mining workforce represented 2% of the labour movement. That's a small proportion of a small proportion of the nation.

And of that 2% only around a maximum of roughly half seemed to want to strike.

So on those figures, the striking miners were not a large proportion of the population and the crushing of the seemingly poorly supported uprising was absolutely right....

Granted so why would you defend Thatcher??

Can I answer that?

Because it's not her fault.

Consumers want cheap produce, that's what has knackered farming, and supermarkets have screwed us to the floor.

Many youth don't want to work, not when benefits can provide an acceptable standard of living with no work.

New Labour completely sold the entire rural community and economy down the river.

She tackled, head on, the biggest problem we had, and still have, in this country, which is this unreasonable (socialist) sense of entitlement, this attitude that I want, gets.

Unfortunately for both her and the decent blokes who didn't support the union line, lots of collateral damage occurred when she took them out.

I have the deepest sympathy for the miners who just wanted to work, but were threatened in their homes by vile, greedy unionists who once were friends, colleagues and often even relatives. No one who wants to do an honest day's work should ever suffer what they did.

But the fact that this happened says more about the despicable attitudes and approach of the unions than it does for the elected members who had no choice but to deal with them for the sake of the millions of others who inhabit this country.

, im not on my own Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead is near the top of the music charts that means thousands of people must have bought the record!

I seem to recall that Mr Blobby got to number 1 so I don't think that's a particularly decisive form of opinion poll....

Like i said there were those affected and those unaffected you were obviously in the latter group!

The same can be said for ALL leaders.

Unfortunately for mrs T the unions were selfish mobsters who wrought havoc on the country.

They were a minority. What right did they have to hold the entire country to ransom?

None.

They got off lightly for what was practically terrorism in my view.

She did a tough job at a tough time. She had to look out for the majority, which her record shows she did.

I think that history will show that the Blair regime did more damage to the country.....

Nice for him that his benefits are substantial enough he can afford to spend 90 quid on booze!

And i think your mistaken Geoff....and as for ''speaking ill of the recently dead'' i dont go for sentimental nonsense. enough said.

Although my opinion of Mrs T differs from yours I would agree that you haven't spoken out of turn and would defend your post.

Although I think that rejoicing in the death of someone simply because you dislike their politics is low, I don't think that anyone should change their opinion of someone jut because they're dead.

You don't like her, fair enough.

Seems though that you've enough decency to respect the dead irrespective of their party politics so Geoff was perhaps a little harsh in that respect....

Pop a band-it, like are used on carabiners up there at the top and that will give it a little spring. Getting it to stay out of neutral really makes a nice tether.

That's what I was thinking.... On my previous 30cm version the shrink went higher and locked it all up nicely, I just cocked this one up to be honest!

May still cut the shrink off and do it again yet.....

I still use it how I was taught when I did my tickets, which is pretty much the same as you choose to do it. Like you, it's default is engaged and I take it off to cut....

For the time it takes to guarantee no nasty accidents when repositioning I reckon it's worth it. I'm a big fan of the chain brake!

Looks like it could do with being a couple of inches longer IMO. Do you not find the rw is too close to the hitch?

 

Cheers.

When the hitch is tied right it's fine, it's 'collapsed' in the first photo Rich

Dispelling the Thatcher myths | Red Pepper

 

Some basics for starters

Were that a properly substantiated, factual article from a credible, unbiased publication it may carry some weight

But as a tub thumping, proudly socialist, deeply prejudiced form of opinion press it may as well all be made up, indeed it may well be.

Citing growth in the 50's, when we basically started from scratch and borrowed a fortune from the states, in comparison with the 80's is pretty daft.

I don't very much care for socialism. Any movement whose main mission is to take, disguising it as some sort of moral high ground, doesn't sit well with me.

Still. I did read it

Tether needs a bit of fettling to keep the wrench from dropping into neutral on ascent but other than that I like it. This one is a 250mm x 13mm DMM dyneema QuickDraw with retainer.

Stainless split rings are threaded into both eyes to clip an elastic into for tending.

Not quite as smart as Adam's tethers but will do for now

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they should give that power back to the police too !!!!

Absolutely, I see jobless scumbags abusing their good fortune and fellow citizens too often. A bloody good hiding from the now woefully weak police force would wake some of these oiks up!

Just to add. None of my family (alot of them miners) were fans of Scargill. He was as bad a rouge as Thatcher.

 

One of my uncles was on strike for over twelve months, he wanted to go to work every day as did many other miners but the threat of having their houses burnt down by other miners was the deciding factor. Miners were waiting on bridges to drop lumps of concrete etc on other miners cars if they thought they were going to cross the picket line. I can remember more than one miner getting killed by things being thrown from bridges in my home town.

 

Unless you lived in these areas during the strike you would not understand how bad things were. There are still families that hate one and other over what went on at the time of the strike.

So what you're saying is that there were some really nasty scumbag miners who orchestrated the strikes, bullied ordinary folk into not working and even killed some of their colleagues and neighbours....?

Yet you still believe the government was to blame....

How could the government deal with the situation in any other way? If these were the sort of people who could do that to their friends, there was no way ANYTHING the government did would ever be accepted by them.

Maybe if those who didn't want a part if it, who would seem now to be the majority, had stood against them sooner then maybe the outcome could have been very different.....

I actually find the pinto a bit wide. The ISC fixe, ct fixe or petzl fixe leave a but more room in the biner that I like.

It is a big old lump, I tried the isc fixed first but someone rightly pointed out that the edges were a bit sharp for the configuration I had.

I got round the pinto width by using a Petzl William biner, which is huge, and 8mm eye to eye hitch cord.

I'll post a photo in the wrench thread if you'd like to see it rather than derailing Adam's thread

Top work Adam.

Might treat myself to one of your pinto ones when I can splurge a bit again.

I think a pinto is spot on under a wrench....

Always was and always will be- Maybe not word for word but something like

'You lucky lads going over the top tomorrow - shame I can't be with you - still I'll be right behind you' quote General Melchett

'About 20 miles behind us' - quote Edmund Blackadder.

This was on the other night, I recorded it to show to my kids, one of the finest pieces of television ever made

Everyone does the job they want to do. Some lead, some follow, some fight, some fight to stop people fighting. There are lots of things I disagree with but we have to remind ourselves that we are free to do things others disagree with as well. If anyone thinks our leaders are doing it wrong, it's a democracy, door's open if we're prepared to put the effort in to get into a position to make a difference.

Mrs Thatcher was a shining example of what can be personally achieved in this country with hard work, even back when women were not thought of as they are now, someone could work up from the bottom.

No one can knock her for that.

I would like proof she's dead and if she is any chance we can spread the ashes on the docks or some other vacant industrial wasteland she wiped off the map ..... Not a fan !

 

 

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Fortunately, like the unions she squished, you're in the minority.

More people in this country respected her than disrespected her.

Unfortunately, as ever, the minority are the most vocal and distasteful bunch (although I appreciate your restraint , I've seen some absolute filth on the Internet )

Funny how no one who downed tools, disrupted productivity and made an industry which was already shaky, completely unviable, is prepared to take any of the blame for the failure of their industry and loss of their jobs....

But fortunately for them, because of strong leaders like Mrs T, they can behave as disrespectfully as they like in this country without being locked up as a political dissident.

Funny old world......

Great news, congratulations to you and yours!

Al Pacino played Scargill brilliantly. Maybe we'll get another brit blockbuster.

 

 

3x01 The Strike 02 20 1988 3 - YouTube

Comic Strip, they don't make 'em like that anymore, more's the pity

Ref the Falklands, I'm not military, but much of my family were, generally Navy and RAF, and one of my previous bosses was a Falklands submariner. I am yet to meet a veteran or serving soldier or officer who doesn't 'want to go to war', so to speak.

They all tell me that it's what they joined up for. Peace time military service is square bashing, training and cleaning, and no opportunity to put everything they have worked so hard to learn into practice.

One wouldn't train as a barrister and then not want to go to court.

War is horrid, but fortunately we have brave personnel who will put their lives at risk for the freedom of their fellow countrymen and face up to the diplomatic failings of world leaders.

I am not a big enough person to give up my freedom to the military, and I find it disrespectful when people dismiss the achievements and sacrifices made by our military personnel as 'a waste'. I doubt they would see it as such so anyone who feels pity for men like Simon Weston should stop being so pious and feel pride and gratitude instead.

But whatever.

I was in school in those years in John Beddoes.... I moved to Manchester in 2001

How old were you when you moved to Manchester?