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We have a boiler specifically for the kiln drying industry. We have the Angus Orligno 600 hot air blower which is the ideal boiler for hot air process and space heating. Emberair have done a number of installations where they are heating 20 Foot or 40 Foot containers. Please see http://www.ecoangus.co.uk/angus_orligno_600_boiler.html We work exclusively with Emberair as far as the supply and installation of this particular product range with contact details as follows E-Mail [email protected] If you would contact Simon as far as further details with your kiln drying requirements he should be able to assist as they have installed a number of boilers for this very application. You can see one of these boilers being used for kiln drying by a customer in Kent on https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiJAdtYNuPqaCIn4KPJBLGg/featured Also Emberair have a Facebook web site which shows a number of kiln drying installations https://www.facebook.com/EmberAir

This product must have seasoned wood less than 20% moisture content as it is a wood gasification log boiler. You will only get the good gases being burnt off in the secondary burn chamber with dry wood. If you burn wet wood you dry steam out of the wood, get a smoky burn and end up with pitch inside the heat exchanger tubes. Those customers use a small proportion of the dry wood produced from the kiln as the fuel for the boiler to dry all the wood in the kiln itself from one batch to another. The airflow temperature is typically 120°C for kiln drying. Our installer has fitted a number of these for kiln drying and there is lots of information on their web site about this product and application see Home | Emberair WWW.EMBERAIR.CO.UK Hot Air Space and Process Heating | Ember air | United Kingdom I hope that explains. ☺

If of interest we supply a wood gasification hot air blower that is often linked up for kiln drying. Product like this obviate the need for a plate heat exchanger as with the use of spiral ducting it is the movement of hot air on a dry system. There is a customer of ours who installed a 60Kw wood gasification hot air blower who has put some videos of this on YouTube for those interested. Guy Winterbourne Eco Angus Ltd

Only kilns installed up to October 2017 qualified for the non-domestic RHI We as a company supplied many log boilers that were linked with thermal stores and hot air blowers in the kiln under this scheme. Since then we have developed the wet boilers to a hot air blower for kiln drying application and space heating. Please see the following for more information and case studies for the installer we are working with on these projects; Home | Emberair WWW.EMBERAIR.CO.UK Hot Air Space and Process Heating | Ember air | Carlisle https://www.facebook.com/EmberAir Guy Winterbourne Eco Angus Ltd Eco Angus Wood Burning Boilers - Simple Solutions for Greener Heating. Suppliers of MCS accredited wood burning boilers ECOANGUS.CO.UK Eco Angus Wood Burning Boilers - Simple Solutions for Greener Heating

It is not possible to have a wood gasification hot air blower that uses logs to be eligible on the renewable heat incentive as it is important that you can measure the kWh produced by the renewable energy source as there is no way as far as Ofgem are concerned to measure this on a dry system. For RHI eligibility for a log boiler it has to be on a wet system so the log boiler heats a large thermal store which then heats the appropriate heating circuit. There is a limit of 45Kw maximum for domestic installations usually heated a single rated property but above 45Kw it must be a non-domestic property or heating more than one single rated property (a house and a cottage for example or a farm and an office as an example). In a non-domestic RHI some customers have installed an extra loop off the thermal store to a separate hot air blower for drying wood but as this is part is not deemed as eligible you would need heat meters on your installation where the heat going to the house/farm was what you were paid for. It can be a little complex with the rules as they stand. We supply log boilers in 18/25/40/60/80/96/130Kw outputs so cater most scenarios.

Firstly we are an advertiser on Arbtalk and have a new product we bought in early last year which is a hot air blower that does not need to be on a wet system that can be used for for kiln drying. I rarely put a post on but should check the forum more often! We have 1800 log boilers installed in the UK but since the rules changed on the renewable heat incentive in that kiln drying was no longer deemed eligible in October 2017 we have worked on the hot air blower. They used to be linked to a large thermal store that then linked to a heat exchanger in a kiln for drying. Please see our case study which is kiln drying logs from a hot air blower plus heating a workshop See http://www.ecoangus.co.uk/case_study_4.html I have a 40Kw log boiler with a 2700l tank installed 2011 and heat a 5 bed house which uses 15 tonnes per annum and I receive the domestic renewable heat incentive we have 24 acres of mixed woodland so we are self supply. It is a specialist product usually used by those with economic access to wood and a lifestyle where they are happy to manually load the boiler. If interested send an email to [email protected] for more details

Without trying to advertise if you want to see pictures of my 40kW log boiler installation with a 2700l thermal store on our web site (i am part of Eco Angus) please see the following link; Angus Orligno Wood gasification boiler installation There are very few pictures around of installations generally available.

No this is not quite right. see Renewable Heat Incentive (RHI) - Department of Energy and Climate Change Domestic Retrospective to 15th July 2009 for eligible installs (MCS accredited boilers with MCS accredited installers). Payment will come Ocxtober 2012 over 20 years. There is a possible one off payment called the RHPP (Renewable Heat Premium Payment) if off gas for £950 in the meantime before the RHI payment commence October 2012.

As the supplier Eco Angus we will know very shortly on wood gasification log boilers (and wood pellet boilers/wood chip boilers) with regards to DEFRA and smokeless zones. We are expecting the final announcement on the RHI for domestic installations around July. It is hoped that their will be a tally between MCS approved boilers (Microgeneration Certification Scheme) as ours are and smokeless zones with DEFRA. We have test reports showing emissions data on all our boilers. They pass the proposed Government standards. These wood boilers burn cleaner than all wood burning stoves as 95% of the time the chimney flap is shut and you are burning the wood gases. When the boiler is at full output all you get from the top of the flue is a heat shimmer!! To envisage a typical installation we have a picture on our web site http://www.ecoangus.co.uk/ecoangus_images/Eco_Angus_Wood_Gasification_Log_Boiler_installation.jpg

Our boilers will burn all softwoods, all hardwoods. Pallet wood is absolutely no problem. Even if there is nails or bolts in the wood these will fall through eventually into the combustion chamber with the (very minimal) fine ash. I have been burning old floorboards from my house for the last week that have plenty of nails. I clean out the combustion chamber once a week and put the half coal bucket of ash on my vegetable patch ( i have a garden riddle that fishes out the nails first). Now that i have turned the heating off i can get accumulator tank to 90°C and this can provide hot water for about 4 days now. When the top stat on my tank gets down to 50°C i just do another batch burn. This would be a full loading chamber that would burn through in gasification mode in about 4 hours and the tank would be back up to 90°C to go again. What they do not like is MDF, chipboard or plywood bacuase of the glue....not good for emissions. The pallet wood would be best used as a mix with softwoods or hardwoods as you will prolong the burn time. It is also good wood to build up the ember layer when you start the fire before adding the chunkier stuff to fill up the loading chamber.

Somewhere on the Eco Angus website it gives graphs showing house size in square metres verses boiler size and insulation. I can't find it now though. Here it is..... http://www.ecoangus.co.uk/ecoangus_images/ECO10010%20Product%20Brochure%20281009.pdf Please see page 3 orange graph As a rule of thumb 1kW will cover 10m2 of a well insulated property. For those interested here is a picture of my installation in Somerset http://www.ecoangus.co.uk/ecoangus_images/Eco_Angus_Wood_Gasification_Log_Boiler_installation.jpg I have an Angus Orligno 200 40kW with a 2700l Akva accumulator tank that covers my central heating and domestic hot water requirements for a 6 bedroom 350m2 home as per picture.

There has been a recent development and it looks like their is going to be an automatic tie between MCS accreditation and U K some controls so once you have gained MCS accreditation the product will be exempt from smoke control areas. This is because the MCS accreditation is so rigorous and emissions from the test results is something that is covered so saves doubling up. It will be announced January 2011 but this was from the emissions specialist for U K Smoke Controls who confirmed the above this week. For a list of accredited products see http://www.microgenerationcertification.org/mcs-consumer/product-search.php:thumbup:

Up to date information can be found at Consultation on Renewable Heat Incentive - Department of Energy and Climate Change The consultation document can be found at Consultation on Renewable Heat Incentive - Department of Energy and Climate Change Just awaiting the fine details which should be January for the Renewable Heat Incentive and precisely how the grants will work for log boilers. We are currently going through U K Smoke Controls for our range for exemption in smoke controlled areas and we hope to have this in place by Quarter 1 2011.

Log boilers definitely included.

I am a supplier Eco Angus Ltd With a reasonably well insulated house a 25kW log boiler can cover all your CH + DHW for a property up to 250m2 covering your proposed extension. We have a general sizing graph which enable you to size your boiler approximately http://www.ecoangus.co.uk/ecoangus_images/ECO10010%20Product%20Brochure%20281009.pdf See page 3 of 5 graph on left hand side:thumbup:

I am a supplier Eco Angus Ltd. Grants available now for Scotland, England & Wales under the Renewable Heat incentive for those switching from solid fuel to fossil fuel. Payment will begin June 2011. 9p per kWH up to 45kW installation 6.5p per kWH above 45kW installation. These will be paid for 15 years on the installation as long as it is an MCS approved product with an MCS accredited installer. This would typically be £750 to £1000 for a 40kW installation that would cover a well insulated propery up to 400m2. If you want installers in your area let me know and i can advise.

Just to add to renewablejohn comment. The U K Government have decided to support the RHI and this was announced when they went through the spending review announcements i think around the 20th October 2010. It is definitely going ahead and there has been £850 million allocate from general taxation for the switch from fossil fuel to sold fuel along with other technologies (Solar, GSHP, ASHP). When this pot of money has been used up the general feeling in the Industry is there will then be some surcharge added to oil or gas bills to fund further switching from oil or gas. Admittedly we are awaiting the finer details which are being flushed out now and we should hear form the DECC and the REA about this shortly. I agree about the cost of installation for MCS accredited installers and i have added a post on another log boiler thread reference this point. However it will be critical to use one of these installers if you want to obtain the grant under the RHI. You can have a plumber of your choice of course but it is extremely difficult to get an MCS accredited Installer to commission off the install.

To clarify on the two points raised i will respond in general talk for log boilers as follows; When i say that the log boilers can take 10" Diameter logs i should maybe have said that the boiler can take up to 10" Daimeter. The log boilers like logs cut to the right length for the depth of the loading chamber and stacked liked bullets in the magazine of a rifle. Hardwood lasts longer than softwood due to the higher calorific value but ultimately these will burn all wood as long as it is 15-20% humidity (we supply a wood moisture meter free of charge when you order a boiler). This is vitally important otherwise it compromises the efficiency of the boiler and increases the pitch in the loading chamber and heat exchanger tubes. As far as Installers we are awaiting the fine detail of the Renewable Heat Incentive. But in the consultation document it did indicate MCS (Microgeneration Certification Scheme) approved products with MCS approved Installers. I agree that the cost of the install has risen as there are only 97 in the country and i suppose that is how capitalism works. But this number will be double by this time next year so as the market increases there should be greater competition and economies of scale along with de-mystification of the product itself. As the scale of the grants are potentially large it is still extremely worthwhile to pay the premium for the installation for the grants available for your installation over the next 15 years. It has been indicated as 9p per kWH for a boiler installed up to 45kW and 6.5p per KWH for a boiler installed above 45kWH. This could be a grant of £750 to £1000 per year for a well insulated 6 bedroom house on a 40kW boiler for 15 years. It has the ability to be greater than the fully installed value of the product over the tenure of the grant. The one other thing i would say is that it is important to choose a good boiler, a good accumulator tank and a good installer. We have had incidences when a plumber has installed one of these log boilers. They have asked very few questions through the install only to find that they have made basic plumbing errors that compromise the performance of the product. It is frustrating when some plumbers guess rather than ask!! Most suppliers will have the information rerquired to hand or on their web site such as schematic drawings for open or pressurized systems to assist the plumber. Those who are MCS will have invariably installed a number of boilers and so will have that greater understanding of how to install and marry the log boiler with your exisiting heating system. Hope that helps as there is a feel that with the RHI the market could increase ten fold if the wood does not run out!!

I am posting a reply as Eco Angus Ltd a supplier of wood gasification log boilers. We have the following outputs and this is what they can take as far as log sizes 18kW 500mm Long 10" Diameter 25kW 500mm Long 10" Diameter 40kW 500mm Long 10" Diameter 60kW 750mm Long 10" Diameter 80kW 1000mm Long 10" Diameter Two ranges Angus Super and Angus Orligno 200 Just want to correct the information on the earlier post if that is OK. As far as plumbers need to be MCS accredited for grants under the RHI. If anyone is interested then we can advise suitable installers in your area (there are only 97 of them at this moment in time in the UK)

I am a supplier Eco Angus Ltd. Log Boilers must have an accumulator tank based on a 50:1 ration of thermal store to kW output. It maximizes the efficiency of the boiler. There are times that the boiler is producing hot water and you are not using it for central heating or domestic hot water. That is when it goes to your thermal store (the accumulator tank). The Akvaterm accumulator tanks are the most efficient on the market (they have about 1% heat loss per day). We have some video clips as well Eco Angus Wood Burning Boilers - Videos Very important to look for MCS accredited installers with MCS accredited products if you want to receive the imminent grants under the renewable heat incentive. For products The Microgeneration Certification Scheme MCS For installers The Microgeneration Certification Scheme MCS