Andy Clark

It'll be 30 years this coming Sunday since most of us in the Arboriculture world, Contractors/Consultants alike, had our teeth cut and our passions for what we do spawned in the wake of "The Great Storm" of 1987. We often forget just how BIG an impact the events of the night of 15th October had on what we all now know and love to be the modern UK Arb industry.... There is no doubt that without the Great Storm of '87 our industry would be an extremely different place to be, ...and work, than to what it is today, and for that, I personally believe we should all be grateful. 120+mph winds, 20+ dead, several hundred thousand without power, and more than 15 million trees felled.... along with the resulting impacts to infrastructure, the transport system and the economy that that level of devastation brings. So for those of us that remember the night, or the dawn of the next day, or for those who have followed the path ever since, I challenge you... remember your roots, embrace your origins, and give thanks to the catastrophe from whence you were spawned... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Storm_of_1987

Yes and no.... Rylands v Fletcher is probably the most suitable case for this sort of thing, but think of it in terms of cattle..... We own neighbouring farms, and you want to graze cattle on a field next to my corn crop. Its not my job to keep your cows on your land. Its your job to make sure your cows stay on your land. That doesn't mean though that I cant also take steps to keep your cows off my land if I feel it necessary too, but my "right" to self help does not supersede or nullify your "responsibility". And that's often the confusion of the principle.... that the "Rights" of one person does not invalidate the "Responsibility" of another.

Nothing like being quoted in context eh? I think I was pretty clear in the preceding text in my post to the bits that you've quoted that I was pointing out there were factors/variables that would need to be taken into account which would determine the answers to Kevins question in his OP - which was that did the neighbour have a DoC, and if yes could they be liable for recompense. Obviously we NOW know that we're talking about mature crop with potentially a significant value, but that is not something that we knew from the OP... Irrespective of that, to come back to your comments.... Has the neighbour acted reasonably? No. We still don't know that, because we haven't determined what, if any, steps the neighbour took to avoid the consequence. Was there any consultation With whom and to what end. From the neighbour to the aggrieved landowner. There is a world of difference between the neighbour rocking up one day and felling all without due thought, to the neighbour discussing his/her plan with the landowner to reach a position that suited both parties. For example the landowner may have sought his own professional advice - which may have highlighted the possible dominos once the exposure had changed. The landowner may have simply objected to the felling completely, to the point that he could have sought an injunction in the Courts to stop the felling from happening. Or they could have discussed and reached a compromise to fell in compartments over a course of several years...... various scenarios. Without consultation though, none of these things were given the chance to take place. With consultation, these things could have been pursued and the outcome could have been very very different. Did the neighbour put the owner on notice? On notice for... see above. Has there been a material loss? Clearly. Yes, we know that now. In the absence of any case law from the forestry boys (and notwithstanding FL issues), the underlying principles really still remain the same.... the neighbour has the right to do as he pleases with his land, but in doing so were the steps that he took proportional and AFARP to avoid any foreseeable consequence? Not something we've been able to determine yet, as there is still lots unknown. In terms of Criminal Damage, I think that would be very tough to establish as you'd potentially need to demonstrate mens rea that the neighbour intended to harm the remaining plantation. On face value this seems more likely the case that the neighbour had pound signs in his eyes which may have gotten in the way of any thought of consequence for the remaining plantation.

A very quick scour of Mynors doesn't throw up any glaring obvious case law to reference.... Personally I think in terms of DoC it would depend on several factors - such as size of trees, consequence of failure/foreseeable risk of harm or damage etc, benchmarked against the opposing AFARP in correspondence to those factors. i.e, did the neighbour act "reasonably". That magical word. lol If we're talking 6" dia. 20' tall saplings, then it could be assumed that foreseeable consequence was low, and so the DoC owed by the neighbour would be equally low. A quick "Oh, I'm cutting my trees down next week" word of warning would likely be enough to discharge that Duty. 18" dia. 50/60' tall, then the foreseeability of consequence would be higher, and so would the corresponding Duty owed by the neighbour. Letters, notice period, reasonable consultation etc. In the absence of any particular case law I think the obvious benchmark would be similar to that of a neighbour exercising their self-help right to prune an overhanging tree. Yes you can do it, but equally you may be liable for any damage resulting from your actions. Has the neighbour acted reasonably? Was there any consultation? Did the neighbour put the owner on notice? Has there been a material loss? These are the kind of questions that I think would determine any liability.

I would think it likely that a time constraint could possibly be built in as a condition of consent, but with the over arching umbrella still aplying that the consent itself would still last for two years. Which does seem a completely pointless exercise, as the consent would by default already have fallen into breach if the 3 month condition was not met. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Arbtalk mobile app

Does anyone have contact details for the Tree Officer/s in Blackpool Council at all? Could possibly be a Phil/Phillip Morton, but keep getting bouncebacks from all the various e-mail adress possibilities. No joy through the generic phone numbers/e-mail published on the Councils website either. Cheers

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Some pics attached of samples taken from 2 out of a group of 3 Ash trees - all growing in a residential garden in a semi rural area of Bedfordshire. No other trees in the area affected, so seems to be species specific. All 3 trees are semi mature - approx 350/400 dbh, 12ish m crown spread, 13/14m overall height. All 3 trees suffering same damage, to approx 90% of crown leaf coverage. Google'd this to death and been through my books and nothing jumps out as being such a major defoliatior of Ash. Answers on a postcard to - "I hope it's not EAB.... "

Reports of this nature should usually be done in conjunction with an engineers report re: the fabric of the building, and/or site investigation report re: the underlying ground strata. Without those you would need to be very careful about anything you say re: the trees, without knowing g the full contextual relationship between the trees, building and site soil - and that goes for either of the two report types (mortgage/subs) that you mention.

We have a consultancy client with property near Lesmahagow, South Lanarkshire, that is seeking quotations for pruning and felling work for approx 150 mature individual trees following a recent stock condition survey. Companies must be fully H&S compliant and be able to undertake a large volume of work. Please pm for full details.

One for the IT savvy out there........ I'm interested to hear of how folks who survey, join the dots between GIS based and/or CAD based surveys. We do lots of general tree stock surveys, all of which are GIS based with trees plotted straight onto the O/S Mastermap using an Arcpad front end for data capture, and then manipulated on desktop using GIS. We also do a lot of 5837 planning surveys, but these tend to be onto .dwg topo plans or architect drawings using CAD. I'm of the impression that the ONLY way to make CAD plans work on a GIS system is if the CAD file is geo-referenced...... is this right? Or does anyone know of another way to link the two?

An email to the T/O to cover your bum, quoting the correspondence where he/she confirms no objection, and ansking for a confirm/deny response within 5 working days will suffice.

Ok, the is two legal perspectives to this - one being criminal damage, the other being common law trespass. The fact that you did not act with any malicious intent (mens rea) would point to this being more common law trespass. So in terms of trespass, the question arises as to whether you had consent of the landowner to enter the land and do what you did. You didn't necessarily have consent directly from Gary, but you did have a text from Sue, stating that Gary had given consent. So the first point of fact is about that text. Do you still have it? If so, save it! Download it/back it up to your pc, along with the rest of the conversation to show context, and do not loose it! Your own defence then arise that you were acting as sue's agent, under instruction from her that consent had been granted. You have not assumed, you have been told and it should be reasonable to believe that she was not lying. The second point of fact is the number of trees. Was there 3 or 7? And that is down to Gary to prove. As the claimant it is his burdon to prove the number of trees felled. As for replanting, he can't strictly claim this as a recompense. He can only claim material loss to him that has arisen as a consequence of the trespass. Which can't be re planted trees AND compensation, just compensation. Might be a sticking point though, as he can claim the amenity value of the trees that have been lost. What I mean to say, is that he could retrospectively value the trees using CAVAT/Helliwell, and then claim that sum as compensation - which ironically enough may equate to more than the cost of new trees. Assuming you have that text, I would simply reply to the solicitor advising you had consent and thus don't believe that their is any claim to answer. Need only be a few lines long. Make them deal with the claim properly and prove it.

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That would also be my approach. Along with trying to get the LA'S Conservation Officer to attend at the same time to look at the listed building aspect. That way you can sit back and let them hammer it out amongst themselves. 👍 Ultimately one point to remember is that any decision will not necessarily be at the strict say-so of the TO, but will go to the planning committee - to which both the TO and the CO will have input; with the committee reaching a decision based on an overview of each sides input/reasoning/rationale.