native oaks - id

[openspaceman]

'A bit of a delboy'.

One of the greatest and truest englishmen ever 'a bit of a delboy'

Mr openspaceman, if I were wearing glasses, right now I would be looking at you over the top of them.

Hmmm.

 

Hehe so someone here knows about William, I stand by my comment and that doesn't detract from his greatness.

 

He recognised that acquiescing to small corruptions was the thin end of a wedge.

 

It is failure to stem corruption that means stable governments cannot be formed, without stable and honest government society cannot flourish. It is why we must challenge corruption at the lowest level

 

That little aside it could make a new topic but let's stick to Paul's original post here.

[Paul Cleaver]

Indeed they do.

 

Conversely, softwoods aren't of any decent value in this country as a timber crop (cedars, in particular) as the fast growth rate favours more earlywood formation, which means more tracheids (and lower quality timber as a result).

 

(according to Peter Thomas in a talk he did at the Chelsea Physic Gardens).

 

I believe Sitka/ norwa spruce grows better here than in native scandanavia - obviously -low grade timber then but a huge market never the less

[Paul Cleaver]

These introductions also remind me of the old early 1900s "eh, the grey squirrel will never take on that much in the UK, don't get yer' knickers in a twist!". We all know how that went...

 

 

and " oh these common lime trees we have made will make excellent street trees"

[openspaceman]

Indeed they do.

 

Fun fact on timber production in this country: hardwoods grow best with a fast growth rate, with the ratio of earlywood to latewood being skewed in favour of latewood with regards to such fast growth - the UK's climate is suited to fast growth rates, thereby producing good quality timber will fewer vessels. Conversely, softwoods aren't of any decent value in this country as a timber crop (cedars, in particular) as the fast growth rate favours more earlywood formation, which means more tracheids (and lower quality timber as a result).

 

(according to Peter Thomas in a talk he did at the Chelsea Physic Gardens).

 

Yes that makes sense, our fast grown conifer suits industrial wood better than building timber which is presumably why we had such strong and early trade with the baltic countries, we were never self sufficient in timber for masts even if our ships were hearts of english oak, and thereby hangs a quirk of our timber growing, coppice with oak standards.

 

Not only did it suit our landowners income, treating the relatively long return on a timber crop as capital and the short term income from regular sales of underwood but it grew fat timber within the period of maximum mean annual increment,. Enabling felling at 120 years on decent ground and yielding a short fat butt useful for the main structure of a ship or house complete with lots of large junctions suitable for bends and knees in ships of crucks and jowel posts in houses, plus a bit of cordwood. Whereas the sylviculture south in France grows taller oaks but on a 200 year rotation in a better climate.

[Kveldssanger]

 

and " oh these common lime trees we have made will make excellent street trees"

 

Maybe I like streets lined with limes.

[openspaceman]

I believe Sitka/ norwa spruce grows better here than in native scandanavia - obviously -low grade timber then but a huge market never the less

 

Sitka being named after the NW american area it comes from but yes in terms of volume production they both do better here with yield classes in the high teens and 20s, in their native land they probably only manage a tenth of that but the tight 14 rings to the inch timber is better plus the snow loading prunes off dead whorles leaving clean timber.

[agg221]

I'm glad Turkey Oak has one use then.

 

It is also useful for building sea defences.

 

Alec

[Paul Cleaver]

Sitka being named after the NW american area it comes from but yes in terms of volume production they both do better here with yield classes in the high teens and 20s, in their native land they probably only manage a tenth of that but the tight 14 rings to the inch timber is better plus the snow loading prunes off dead whorles leaving clean timber.

 

[Paul Cleaver]

Maybe I like streets lined with limes.

 

common lime = epicormic hell

[Kveldssanger]

I'll give you that one. Wide verges + limes = beautiful. Or lines of limes in old parks.