Flipline and lanyard

[Marc]

Thanks, yeah after posting I thought that, hence descend on a fig 8 or something and keep the hitchclimber following it down as a backup.

 

I'm getting way ahead of myself, just making a wishlist/pricelist of equipment to be a SE climber, 8 months to go!

 

So far worked out cost of saws, harness, DRT system (inc throwline), lanyard system, flipline system (tempted to just get this first and use as my secondary) and PPE.

 

Going off my current list, a £200-£250 a month until November will get me the essentials. I have a ton of biners,slings and stuff from my mountaineering days but am I right in thinking that I need to start logging use of all my gear for LOLER inspections? If so probably best to start over with everything.

 

Not factored in any rigging stuff as of yet, nearer the time I'll ask around to see just how much rigging gear people expect contracts to bring to the job.

 

Yes a fig 8 would make an acceptable bail out with the hitch just to back it up.

 

I don't use a flip line, I do have one but it mostly stays at home as I find them cumbersome. To start out with though it's not a bad shout and you could use it all the time not just for flipping up poles.

 

A good throw line set up will cost you nearly a months savings, I would probably skip that to start with.

 

Don't get carried away to start with, if your serious do not scrimp on a Harness TreeMotion is a solid choice.

 

Buying lots of kit now is a waste, I bought lots of kit then found I didn't like half of it and wasted my money.

 

Buy a very basic climbing kit only to start with, and a top handle saw of your own. Then add to it as your learn and understand exactly what you want.

 

I climb with surprisingly very little, the most expensive item in my kit bag is my throw line kit (2 faltheimer Cubes, 3 Zing it 1.75mm lines 2 throw pods and a selection of Weaver bags)

 

Again I doubt much of your mountaineering kit is relevant to Arb, i have a lot of mountaineering kit the only bits I use are some tape slings and toothed ascendors.

Edited March 19, 2017 by Marc

[Mark Wileman]

Yes a fig 8 would make an acceptable bail out with the hitch just to back it up.

 

I don't use a flip line, I do have one but it mostly stays at home as I find them cumbersome. To start out with though it's not a bad shout and you could use it all the time not just for flipping up poles.

 

A good throw line set up will cost you nearly a months savings, I would probably skip that to start with.

 

Don't get carried away to start with, if your serious do not scrimp on a Harness TreeMotion is a solid choice.

 

Buying lots of kit now is a waste, I bought lots of kit then found I didn't like half of it and wasted my money.

 

Buy a very basic climbing kit only to start with, and a top handle saw of your own. Then add to it as your learn and understand exactly what you want.

 

I climb with surprisingly very little, the most expensive item in my kit bag is my throw line kit (2 faltheimer Cubes, 3 Zing it 1.75mm lines 2 throw pods and a selection of Weaver bags)

 

Again I doubt much of your mountaineering kit is relevant to Arb, i have a lot of mountaineering kit the only bits I use are some tape slings and toothed ascendors.

 

Jesus, I've seen a Stein kit for 25 bucks, guessed I'd just have to get very good at throwing

 

I don't think I'll be getting that carried away, all I need for my main system is a 35m rope as I already have the pully, biners and an eye to eye for a VT.

 

Harness is a big one, I've read mixed reviews about the TH5000. Cheapest on the market, which is usually a bad sign, but the reviews aren't that bad consider. Spending out £300+ on a decent treemotion would severely dent my budget, that's nearly the price of a MS150!

 

I really want to get my CS30,31 and chipper out the way (doing it next month) then hopefully I can put in some weekend work around my current jobs and spend that cash on tree gear!

[Marc]

Wiley, spending out on a good harness you will not regret providing a career in Arb is not something you regret.

I didn't realise Stein do a throw line kit for £25! Its something I suppose maybe better than nothing.

The throw line to me is my most important tool it's how I access every tree unless I can scamper up it from ground level so I am biased.

 

Thing is we each have our own way, as for the right way, the correct way, the only way it does not exist.

 

My only advice would be buy a good harness, a chainsaw, then the bare minimum like a rope, 4 carabiners, Prussic cord, HitchClimber, cambium saver and flip line.

 

That's all you need to start out then buy as you earn and learn.

 

The other bits and bobs you have for mountaineering will probably fill the gaps.

[Mark Wileman]

The other bits and bobs you have for mountaineering will probably fill the gaps.

 

Thanks for all the advice and yeah, I've seen a GriGri used in SRT base anchor application for rescue, the worlds cross over enough for each to learn from the other I believe. British mountaineers are so obsessed with there only being one way of doing things, thin prussiks etc... meanwhile in the Italian alps I worked with some mountain guides who just use munters and biners!

[Mark Wileman]

I didn't realise Stein do a throw line kit for £25! Its something I suppose maybe better than nothing. .

 

https://www.frjonesandson.co.uk/products-page/stein/throw-bags-lines-cubes1/stein-basic-throwline-kit/

 

If interested anyone, basic as hell but cheap!

[Marc]

https://www.frjonesandson.co.uk/products-page/stein/throw-bags-lines-cubes1/stein-basic-throwline-kit/

 

If interested anyone, basic as hell but cheap!

 

Well i never, that would probably do as a start as it's a small investment. For me it all has to be the same, good throw lining is about being consistent. That kit would help to hone your technique.

 

I like the Italians way of thinking, in tree work there is huge variation and opinion.

[Marc]

Just added up my throw line kit and it come to £382.50 without discount

[Joe Newton]

Just added up my throw line kit and it come to £382.50 without discount

What's your excuse when you miss?

 

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[Marc]

What's your excuse when you miss?

 

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60% of the time i get top anchor every time, the rest is spent in fits of emotion ranging from pure rage to self pity and actual tears.

 

It was just an example, this is what I have gathered over the years, the Faltheimer Cubes are expensive so is Zing It but if you look after it (ie when it's stuck don't snap it out just get another line) they last a long time.

[Joe Newton]

60% of the time i get top anchor every time, the rest is spent in fits of emotion ranging from pure rage to self pity and actual tears.

 

It was just an example, this is what I have gathered over the years, the Faltheimer Cubes are expensive so is Zing It but if you look after it (ie when it's stuck don't snap it out just get another line) they last a long time.

I'd be after 75% after spending out that much! Mind you 7.5% would be an improvement for me.

 

It's help if I didn't reach for the big shot every time i guess

 

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