Srt/rads?

[Marc]

Sure I have used the rads system and it was fine as you described, single line and working on the way up, and descending. I just feel that the footloop misses out the point that the rads is meant to be a 3:1 and if using a footloop for effiviency then the normal frog system on srt is better. I would use rads for getting friends up a tree who don't climb.

 

I will however try it one day with the footloop and I'll see what happens.

 

 

 

I'm all for the rads because it is simple, you just clip yourself to the Eddy and away you go, it is easier than double rope methods for ascent, and if it introduces you to srt (albiet a far from super fast effcient ascent srt) then that is not a bad thing imo.

 

All the components can go on to be used in other srt set-ups.

 

Next time i see you at a show or climbing event i'll say hello rupe and maybe I can convert you:001_cool:

[Rupe]

I'm well away with srt in general, just figured rads is a bit lame due to taking in slack that you dont need to. Except the working on your way up, that bit makes sense.

 

If you descend any distance on it then you lose the use of the footloop anyway as it stays on the ascender. So then you have to pull the excess rope three times to get you back to where you were. And if your comign down a long way to descend out of the tree then you need a lot of rope. If the original line is attached at the base of the tree then you would need a rope up to four times the height of the tree to enabe you to descend from TIP to ground, no??

[Marc]

I know your well away with srt rupe, i just think that rads is more usefull than some believe, your right that if you descend any distance the footloop is away from you i'm usually only descending a short way to a get into a work position you then have better advantage to get back in. You are having to pull through more slack its not hard to do this though and i think you have to compare it more with a doubled rope set-up than a more effcient but ascent only srt system.

 

To descend from the top to the ground takes a lot of rope 4 times like you said, like all treework planning is essential, if you are going to go to the ground remove the handle ascender and descend on the Eddy.

[kevin bingham]

You can descend on a friction hitch single line if you install the f8 revolver. I think that ascending srt with a friction hitch is ideal because you are able to descend as you wish without ever detaching from the line. you are not stuck just going up which is a safety issue.

 

I have also found RADS to be inefficient for moving around the tree. I feel like the entire point of SRT is lost. Ropewalking is that fastest way that I have found to ascend. I use an ascender with foot loop, friction hitch, and pantin. very fast to set up and not a lot of gear. easy to go 100 feet.

 

The biggest advantages of SRT can be found while work positioning and working the tree. blows dDRT out of the water.

[Marc]

You can descend on a friction hitch single line if you install the f8 revolver. I think that ascending srt with a friction hitch is ideal because you are able to descend as you wish without ever detaching from the line. you are not stuck just going up which is a safety issue.

 

I have also found RADS to be inefficient for moving around the tree. I feel like the entire point of SRT is lost. Ropewalking is that fastest way that I have found to ascend. I use an ascender with foot loop, friction hitch, and pantin. very fast to set up and not a lot of gear. easy to go 100 feet.

 

The biggest advantages of SRT can be found while work positioning and working the tree. blows dDRT out of the water.

 

I hear what your saying Kevin, rads is far from ideal, but its simple and effective, 100ft ascents are very rare, 50-60ft is not all that often either in the u.k. So rads for most stuff is suffcient and simple, it allows you to do work whilst making progress to your t.i.p. for long ascents i'll use a rope walker system.

 

I'd love to get to grips with the f8 revolver, only for the majority of my work I do not see how it would blow dDRT out of the water, but would like to be proved wrong, most of my work is on the outer extremities of the tree having double'd rope to give yourself advantage to move in is vital. I'd like to be proved wrong though

[Rupe]

I had a quick go with your method the other day day Marc and the Rads bit works well as it has done in the past but adding the footloop to the ascender does not work IMO. YOu are lifting yourself on the footloop then takign in slack when the whole point is that the rads system allows you to keep a taught line and have a 3;1 system. The footloop negates these two points, I still don't get why its needed.

 

Rads is perfectly good for its purpose. Srt using frog method is great too but for different purpose. rads with footloop still seems to be neither.

[Marc]

Your using your leg muscles to ascend this is the only benefit to having a footloop, I tried without and found it hard going and more clumsy..

We all have different stratergies to work a tree, what works well for some may not work as well for others, its about finding whats right for you and what your work mainly involves.