Lowering device.

[RC0]

slagging off other peoples hard work and engineering skills.

 

Common place on the forums Peter, and unfortunately, most of it appears to be based on idle speculation rather than fact.

 

I would really like this lowering device grcs i think you call it.

 

But how on earth is it worth nearly £2000 Stihls most expensive saw is by far chepaer. Its the price of a second hand stump grinder.

 

This is the only reason i wont buy it its extortion how is a piece of metal plate with a drum and some ratchet straps worth that much it probly cost

£100 to make.

 

I mean no offence by my comment and im sure there more to it than a simple metal plate.

 

But could the maker surely offer a more sensible price and im sure many more would buy it.

Telhol, having become more familiar with your style of wording, I am quite sure that you meant no disrespect in your comments.

 

As far as I know, the product of which you refer to is made in the US and is a relatively heavy-duty piece of kit, so my guess is that the shipping costs will be between ₤1 - 200.00 per unit, unless of course they are being shipped in large quantities to a wholesaler etc, but I’m guessing not. The products will need to be insured while in transit also. Import tax will have to be paid as they arrive from the US and then the retailer (whoever that may be) will take his cut if and when he re-sells them. Also, consider the initial layout from the manufacturer during the research, design and development stage; manufacturing costs; not to mention serious responsibility taken on by that person in releasing such a critical piece of equipment as ‘safe-to-use’ on to the marketplace.

 

Personally, I couldn’t justify buying one either at that price, but having used one and read the countless rave reviews, I don’t doubt that it’s a great investment if rigging plays a significant part in your tree-work strategies.

 

Some time ago, maybe 2 years now, I spotted a pretty radical lowering device in a US trade mag. From what I can remember it didn’t have a single drum/spool, rather it seemed to run over a series of smaller drum type re-directs, but without actually taking a complete wrap on any of them. The main selling points were that you’re rope didn’t twist up and you could run 2 ropes at the same time. It was similar in price the GRCS and Hobbs but I never seen or heard of it again since. It may have black and green in colour.

 

Can any of our US members recollect this product and what became of it? Thanks

[High Scale]

Ahh, I remember that device, can't remember what it is called though.

[Andy Collins]

I've watched countless demos of the grcs at the various shows in the past few years, and personally, at this point in time I couldnt justify buying one. Not that I wouldnt LIKE one, just couldnt see the return for the expense. This is specialist kit, along the same lines as the block-driver, etc. Yes, you CAN manage to do the job without it, but if its available, and you could afford it, then why struggle without it? Bear in mind, those who criticise the price, this is a very very small market (arboriculture) so the importers are unlikely to sell very many in any year. The last thing they need in this economic climate is dead stock sitting on the shelves. Just take a minute, think how many arb companies there are in your area, and how many would buy grcs, and indeed how many grcs would each company buy, 1, maybe 2 at a push? This means its very difficult to import a large quantity to reduce the costs.

[High Scale]

Was it this Reg?

 

http://www.haultz.com/features.html

[Mr Ed]

Thats the one Carl. Telhol, the biggest single cost on the GRCS is the Harken marine winch. just google harken winch and see how much they cost...

[RC0]

Thats it! Well done Carl:icon14:

[telhol]

Well appreciate your replys.

 

I did state no offence but i guess some cant read to well.

 

I was not slagging nothing off just getting an idea of why it priced so high one decent guy gave that answer.

[Mr Ed]

I think your original post came accross a bit strong. To accuse a manufacturer of extortion is a pretty strong accusation. I have had the same said about my stumpgrinders, and it is aggrevating.

 

As for your argument about stihl chainsaws, Stihl manufacture tens of thousands of saws a year. I would be surprised if Greg Good sells a 100 GRCS's in a year... its economy's of scale.

I'm sure it would be much cheaper with a chinese winch bollard, but would you want it?

[telhol]

Ok to clear the wood from the trees.

 

At the end of the day im fully entitled to my own opinion.

 

A decent manufacturer listens to the people who may buy there product.

 

Feed back is how new things get improoved on if every one just said that will do we would still be using bow saws.

 

(Why make a chainsaw a bow saw works)

 

dont reply negativly if you dont understand the above.

[Mr Ed]

So if I understand your opinion correctly -

You feel that Greg Good is extorting money from his customers - and that he should listen to you and build his lowering device much cheaper....? and that this would be an improvement?