Beech tree graft failure

[David Humphries]

don't forget folks a house 6m to the right!

 

 

Best fell about 5 million other non perfect trees near houses in the uk then

 

 

 

 

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[Paul Cleaver]

Best fell about 5 million other non perfect trees near houses in the uk then :biggrin

 

so your saying that bracing it will make it safe

[David Humphries]

Best fell about 5 million other non perfect trees near houses in the uk then :biggrin

 

so your saying that bracing it will make it safe

 

I'm not actually stating any fact, am I

 

The OP invited 'opinions'

 

 

 

 

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[Paul Cleaver]

I think all things considered the risk is too high for bracing however if the client is aware bracing is an option but cannot be guaranteed, and he goes ahead with it - that's fine

[taffupatree]

Am wondering the legal stand point concerning bracing....As a LA bod we don't do any bracing-In bracing a tree you are admiting there is a problem. Which in regards to an LA is admitting liability? How does this transpire to doing it privately? Written claus in a contract saying advised of risks and tree firm excepts no responsibility?? Sorry for the slight derail.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Am wondering the legal stand point concerning bracing....As a LA bod we don't do any bracing-In bracing a tree you are admiting there is a problem. Which in regards to an LA is admitting liability? How does this transpire to doing it privately? Written claus in a contract saying advised of risks and tree firm excepts no responsibility?? Sorry for the slight derail.

 

by bracing we admit the fault, by reducing as well we deal with that admission.

 

where an a frame style brace cannot be installed (to control "barn door" type failure.

 

if barn door can be countered as well as the tensile load reduction is not required to alleviate the admission of fault.

 

if we ONLY cable for tension (outward bending) we MUST also reduce the risks of barn door by alleviating the potential for "barn door failure" i.e sideways bending of the lever arm.

 

IMO this isnt a bad "fault" especialy in beech which fuse like this a lot. Your looking at a small windo of time in the development of this feature.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

An overall reduction by say 4-5 metres and instalation of a rod brace 2 metres above the compression cushion would be my prefered method

[Marc]

Am wondering the legal stand point concerning bracing....As a LA bod we don't do any bracing-In bracing a tree you are admiting there is a problem. Which in regards to an LA is admitting liability? How does this transpire to doing it privately? Written claus in a contract saying advised of risks and tree firm excepts no responsibility?? Sorry for the slight derail.

 

By this sentimentality any tree work is admission of liability is it not?

We explain to the client the reasons behind bracing besides we also had insurance to cover our decisions and work to my knowledge there has never been a case. Lets be realistic though poor tree work can also be a cause of failure good tree work is preventative but no real guarantee.

 

You should go to Germany some of the cities there have trees full and I mean full of braces from static steel, dynamic and strap n buckle type.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

By this sentimentality any tree work is admission of liability is it not?

We explain to the client the reasons behind bracing besides we also had insurance to cover our decisions and work to my knowledge there has never been a case. Lets be realistic though poor tree work can also be a cause of failure good tree work is preventative but no real guarantee.

 

You should go to Germany some of the cities there have trees full and I mean full of braces from static steel, dynamic and strap n buckle type.

 

its whether you can defend the action taken that maters, doing what is reasonable as they say.

 

the courts dont expect you to eliminate risks entirely, only to manage, MANAGE NOT ELIMINATE, those risks in a recognised, and sometimes tested (in court) manner

[taffupatree]

I would love to see trees like that. My personal opinion is I would rather see a tree braced than felled. This instance though I am not sure the benifits out weigh the risks. As Tony has pointed out the reduction/bracing my have a positive effect and the tree may remain standing for many years to come. Home owner may see it diffirently when faced with costs etc but that is a whole other subject. Marc has a sound argument as well, sorry if I have come across the wrong way....Am just trying to find out some information because bracing seems to be a taboo subject on the LA I work for