Register of Tree Work Operatives

[Andy Clark]

 

 

 

so a casual observer might ask ... why would industry want it to be more complex !

 

 

 

 

 

And from what I've digested from the background docs. so far, that's exactly the outcome of what this will produce.

 

Appreciated, the way the industry finds itself currently it is extremely dispersed and would undoubtedly be like herding cats in trying to culminate all that into one centralised focal point........

 

But 5 different grades for a groundsman???

 

Surely that sort of mentality is only ever going to work to exacerbate the problem, not improve it?

 

 

I'm still going with the 2011 Lantra report, so will come back to this when I've fully grasped the in's and out's.

 

 

 

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[jaime bray]

And from what I've digested from the background docs. so far, that's exactly the outcome of what this will produce.

 

Appreciated, the way the industry finds itself currently it is extremely dispersed and would undoubtedly be like herding cats in trying to culminate all that into one centralised focal point........

 

But 5 different grades for a groundsman???

 

Surely that sort of mentality is only ever going to work to exacerbate the problem, not improve it?

 

 

I'm still going with the 2011 Lantra report, so will come back to this when I've fully grasped the in's and out's.

 

 

 

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Apologies but as i try to decypher from your post a point that you may be were trying to make, would you like me to convey to the comittee that you feel that what you reference within your post is excessive?

 

Thanks for your opinion, much appreciated.

Edited January 31, 2013 by jaime bray

[Yorkshireman]

Is it a case of expecting the industry to self police, it would be of much value to the industry if it did. It is hoped.

 

Reference self police now or later im am unsure of what you mean

 

Jamie if you mis understand me I must have not made my point

 

you say you expect the industry to police

 

my point is we already do !!

 

as if not it would assume those contractor left to chance the proportionate reasonable and safe conduct of the service[s[ they supply,

 

and by default it would follow there would be many more injury, fatalities and prosections,, so they do police themselves now !!

 

,, as to do otherwise would mean they are paying wages to people that are

A not safe

B not capable

C not productive

D a waste of space = the jobs a total disaster ,

 

so the job in application would be too dangerous to continue ,

 

effects of whiich would mean that the client does not get value for money,

the job is of poor quality or is not delivered , which in commercial terms mean the company would not get paid for these services

 

this would mean the company goes out of business ,, as they cant make money !!

or they would not do business in any meaningful way

save those who already fly below the radar ,, who wouldn't engage anyway

as they dont bother now !!

 

therefore to not currently self police is bad business practise, which means

 

We do already self police which reflects the fact that businesses employers are ultimately credible ,viable and continue to employ people like we have for years.

 

I have had all sorts of applicants from deadheads who dont know their own shoe size to those on the complete opposite end of the spectrum ,, the scheme seems to suggest that we need someone to tell us what level someone needs to be to fit our business need ,, thanks

 

whilst I am in support of progress I do know of many out in 'contracting world' whose take on this suggestion would be

 

who died & made you the boss >> over my business ?

 

as they are the person who have to ensure they have bid on and secured enough work to enable their skilled guys with support of equipment and provision to ensure enough turnover [profit ] is left over to pay the wages on a friday afernoon

 

sorry if I wasnt clear earlier

Edited January 31, 2013 by Yorkshireman

[jaime bray]

And from what I've digested from the background docs. so far, that's exactly the outcome of what this will produce.

 

Appreciated, the way the industry finds itself currently it is extremely dispersed and would undoubtedly be like herding cats in trying to culminate all that into one centralised focal point........

 

But 5 different grades for a groundsman???

 

Surely that sort of mentality is only ever going to work to exacerbate the problem, not improve it?

 

 

I'm still going with the 2011 Lantra report, so will come back to this when I've fully grasped the in's and out's.

 

 

 

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Admittedly that report is two years old now, the scheme has changed significantly in the last week, let alone the last two years!

[Andy Clark]

 

Just because something is done voluntarily that does not mean it does not get done.

 

 

 

I believe there is a saying related to the streength of a volunteers resolve and heart. But forgive me I cant recall the exact wording.

 

 

 

Nothing wrong woth volunteers, especially people with certain skill qualities.

 

 

 

 

 

Couldn't agree more Jaime.

 

Drawing from my own 27 years time served in the Scout Association, including 15 of those being as a volunteer member of campsite service crew and adventurous activities instructor, I can fully vouch for the sense of pride and well being that comes from being so committed and dedicated to something you believe so strongly in.

 

But let's not forget, not one of us on Arbtalk is paid to post on here. Not one of us draws any form of salary from the respective pearls of wisdom that we pass on to others via our sharing of our own individual knowledge and experiences.

 

Everyone on here is a worthwhile volunteer.

.

 

 

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[Yorkshireman]

Couldn't agree more Jaime.

 

Drawing from my own 27 years time served in the Scout Association, including 15 of those being as a volunteer member of campsite service crew and adventurous activities instructor, I can fully vouch for the sense of pride and well being that comes from being so committed and dedicated to something you believe so strongly in.

 

But let's not forget, not one of us on Arbtalk is paid to post on here. Not one of us draws any form of salary from the respective pearls of wisdom that we pass on to others via our sharing of our own individual knowledge and experiences.

 

Everyone on here is a worthwhile volunteer.

.

 

 

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well done Andy a very worthwhile commitment ,,

Edited January 31, 2013 by Yorkshireman

[Andy Clark]

Apologies but as i try to decypher from your post a point that you may be were trying to make, would you like me to convey to the comittee that you feel that what you reference within your post is excessive?

 

Thanks for your opinion, much appreciated.

 

 

I'm sorry Jamie, I have no idea what that was supposed to mean.

 

Could you perhaps re-phrase your question?

 

 

 

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[jaime bray]

Jamie if you mis understand me I must have not made my point

 

you say you expect the industry to police

 

my point is we already do !!

 

as if not it would assume those contractor left to chance the proportionate reasonable and safe conduct of the service[s[ they supply,

 

and by default it would follow there would be many more injury, fatalities and prosections,, so they do police themselves now !!

 

,, as to do otherwise would mean they are paying wages to people that are

A not safe

B not capable

C not productive

D a waste of space = the jobs a total disaster ,

 

so the job in application would be too dangerous to continue ,

 

effects of whiich would mean that the client does not get value for money,

the job is of poor quality or is not delivered , which in commercial terms mean the company would not get paid for these services

 

thiswould then lead to the company goes out of business ,, as they cant make money

or do business in any meaningful way

save those who already fly below the radar ,, who wouldn't engage anyway

as they dont bother now !!

 

therefore to not currently self police is bad business practise, which means

 

We do which reflects the fact that bsinesses employers are ultimately credible ,viable and continue to employ people like we have for years

 

I have had all sorts of applicants from deadheads who dont know their own shoe size to those on the complete opposite end of the spectrum ,, the scheme seems to suggest that we need someone to tell us what level someone needs to be to fit our business need ,, thanks

 

whilst I am in support of progress I do know of many out in 'contracting world' whose take on this suggestion would be

 

who died & made you the boss >> over my business ?

 

as they are the person who have to ensure they have bid on and secured enough work to enable their skilled guys with support of equipment and provision to ensure enough turnover [profit ] is left over to pay the wages on a friday afernoon

 

sorry if I wasnt clear earlier

 

Yorkshiremen, Nobody has become the boss, nobody is saying that everybody needs to uptake this register. But within the realms of the Professional Standards Framework, (apologies i used the word development framework in a prior post, before that is picked up on,lol) a PAN industry group are trying to develop something that hopefuly will assist the industry in certain aspects of improving industry professionalism.

 

May i ask; if it is not construed as picking your brains and exploiting commercial opportunity, but you have a strong opinion on this, have you had experience at setting something similiar up in the past? what would you see as the right way for this to be looked at? or are you totally against the entire concept behind trying to increase the professionalism of the arboricultural industry in this way?

 

Of course if you have your own ideas and therefore would rather keep them to yourself then thats fine, but as i try to convey the message that this is not about filling pockets with gold and is about doing something for what my personal opinion deems a good cause then i would greatly appreciate any input were you so to feel you could give it.

 

Regards,

 

Jaime

[jaime bray]

Couldn't agree more Jaime.

 

Drawing from my own 27 years time served in the Scout Association, including 15 of those being as a volunteer member of campsite service crew and adventurous activities instructor, I can fully vouch for the sense of pride and well being that comes from being so committed and dedicated to something you believe so strongly in.

 

But let's not forget, not one of us on Arbtalk is paid to post on here. Not one of us draws any form of salary from the respective pearls of wisdom that we pass on to others via our sharing of our own individual knowledge and experiences.

 

Everyone on here is a worthwhile volunteer.

.

 

 

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Absolutely. Couldnt agree more

[Pete Mctree]

Who (apart from those in the R2 steering group) actually wants this for the industry?