SRT for beginners?

[Ian Flatters]

Sorry I know it's not to do with the thread but can you please talk me through advancing with strops and slings Ian.

 

Jake:thumbup1:

 

So your top anchor is choked say with a running bowline. Take the working end and lift above this point and clip into a sling and a dmm revolver. Repeat this process as you move up the stem. I normally use this when spreading the redirect load across the crown to allow me to work on the extreme tips. A bit like fishing line lowering, multiple slings and pulleys to spread the line load

[Paul Smith]

So your top anchor is choked say with a running bowline. Take the working end and lift above this point and clip into a sling and a dmm revolver. Repeat this process as you move up the stem. I normally use this when spreading the redirect load across the crown to allow me to work on the extreme tips. A bit like fishing line lowering, multiple slings and pulleys to spread the line load

 

+1:thumbup1:

[colemanjessenz]

Climbing above your anchor point is easy. If you have a base tie its nice and simples! Ascend to the TIP, choke a sling above the TIP, lanyard in and place slack into the sling with the use of a Krab. Keep doing this until you get where you want. Does this make sense?

 

I am unsure as to wether climbing above your anchor when base tying is suitable practice for a beginner climber for example , if your line is over a branch that is acting like a spring , what happens if the newbie climbs right upto the anchor and stands on a branch then gets the fright of his life when his system is dragged through the crotch due to his weight being lifted off the line I think that there is a lot going on with srwp when it comes to base tying , maybe not so much with top tying , so i would say leave the base tying out and instead teach a combination of ddrt and srwp and when it comes to access isolate over a limb like you would foot locking by tying a butterfly and choking it and ether learn to footlock or use srt

[Ian Flatters]

I am unsure as to wether climbing above your anchor when base tying is suitable practice for a beginner climber for example , if your line is over a branch that is acting like a spring , what happens if the newbie climbs right upto the anchor and stands on a branch then gets the fright of his life when his system is dragged through the crotch due to his weight being lifted off the line I think that there is a lot going on with srwp when it comes to base tying , maybe not so much with top tying , so i would say leave the base tying out and instead teach a combination of ddrt and srwp and when it comes to access isolate over a limb like you would foot locking by tying a butterfly and choking it and ether learn to footlock or use srt

 

Im not sure if you missed something, i think paul is saying if you go above your anchor you can strop in advance you anchor with a sling or move the whole anchor. exactly in the same way as DRT.

[colemanjessenz]

Excuse me I didn't read your post correctly about choking off a strop to create an artificial crotch

[Paul Smith]

That's the one Ian.

[Ian Flatters]

Excuse me I didn't read your post correctly about choking off a strop to create an artificial crotch

 

I thought you hadnt, as i read you post and thought i hope he doesnt think we climb above our anchor points

[Old Mill Tree Care]

Because of branch walks and other climbs which do not require you to go strait up into the canopy. I mean when you first started there is no way you were able to get out on branches like you do now.most beginners would put in a second anchor,which would probably be Ddrt.then it becomes confusing if you have 2 wrenches or if you have 2 different setup s.

 

Jake:thumbup1:

 

I'm in agreement with that except I would say a beginner is gonna use a redirect(s) more to give them security and stability.

This process is the same DdRT or SRTWP.

In fact it's easier SRTWP.

[Adam Bourne]

It's a great idea, and used in the rock climbing world all the time, except there go miles past one anchor, where as we would be setting slings every 3/4 ft till you reach your final TIP then once the whole system is over the final crotch you can then remove the assisted slings and binas and use them else where.

[Jake Andrews]

Thanks for the info guys on the slings and going above the anchor point.now although I will not use this method(wink,wink,wink)

 

Surely there must be a safety issue with going above your anchor on a base tie.say your above the tip,take a slip and fall towards your rope,means potentially your free falling toward the ground with no rope.or do you always tie in with a strop befor going above you anchor.

 

Jake:thumbup1: