Elf n Safety

[Pedroski]

So if he had a silky and not a saw would he still be in trouble for doing it????

 

If the employee on ground wasn't using a chainsaw, then I don't see how he could be in trouble. If the bloke up the ladder was happy that the ladder was steady, and he was maintaining, as far as practicably possible, 3 points of contact, then all should be good. And also, the HSE snitch probably only made an appearance because he heard the chainsaws next door!

[Andy Collins]

Andy, the "system" is always wrong, it's the easiest target.

 

I disagree, the "System" could have won easily with such a cut and dried case. They had the guy bang to rights on every count. Given just those facts, I dont think there is one level headed person in here who would have jumped to his defence. but no one likes a sneak, a grass, a snitch, a rat. The case would have never got anywhere without that man reporting him and sending photographic evidence. If a cop pulls you for speeding 33 in a 30, you listen to him explaining why speed is dangerous, you take the caution and you slow down for a while. If a resident took a photo and sent it to the police, youd be slightly miffed, and it would be doubtful if it would even get to court as it would probably not be admissable in a court of law. I feel this case could have been handled in a much more proactive way, getting the point across to all around that such practises are outdated and downright dangerous in the modern world. i make no defence once again for his role as an employer not treating his employees legally.

[Albedo]

It definitely is! Mad!!

 

It merely remains to agree the degree of madness.....

 

I would say, it's at least as mad as a very mad thing in a mad house:001_smile:

[treequip]

Ha, well.... it says "Ladders are normally only used as a means of access into the crown of the tree" - Not "Ladders must ONLY be used....". The reason it says "normally only used" is because work in the crown of the tree typically requires a lot of moving around and you'd normally be up there more than 30 minutes. BUT for a 20ft tall twig of a tree being dismantled you certainly would be doing much moving around in the crown and spending much time up there. Few minutes of chop chop chop with the Silky......

 

Ahhha but in your ladders page it says

 

Ladders can be used if after assessing the risks the use of more suitable work equipment is not justified because of the low risk and short duration

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Well I can't see how tree felling can be described as low risk

[Albedo]

Treequip, I get that you are enjoying a civil debate about the use of ladders regs.

 

So with due respect and nothing personal....

 

But who cares, the regs are bollocks:001_smile:

[treequip]

Treequip, I get that you are enjoying a civil debate about the use of ladders regs.

 

So with due respect and nothing personal....

 

But who cares, the regs are bollocks:001_smile:

 

Well there is a landscaper that cares, well he does now:laugh1:

 

There are also plenty of people out there who do care, they accept that regulations are a fact of life and chose to deal with it.

 

The way the law is framed there also plenty of people out there who response positions of responsibility so they have to care.

[Albedo]

Well there is a landscaper that cares, well he does now:laugh1:

 

There are also plenty of people out there who do care, they accept that regulations are a fact of life and chose to deal with it.

 

The way the law is framed there also plenty of people out there who response positions of responsibility so they have to care.

 

You may have hit the nail on the head here.

 

As a one man band, I do within reason what I like.

 

As an employer, you are bound by this utter crap. This stuff will hurt productivity and safety.

 

Because you have the associated costs, your team has to do more jobs,... working quicker than me and less safely.

[treequip]

You may have hit the nail on the head here.

 

As a one man band, I do within reason what I like.

 

As an employer, you are bound by this utter crap. This stuff will hurt productivity and safety.

 

Because you have the associated costs, your team has to do more jobs,... working quicker than me and less safely.

 

Or they could charge more, the companies that are bound by tiers of regulation expect tht a job will cost more because of the hoops to lump through. Most sites have half a ream of paperwork and a mornings worth of induction for the smallest of jobs.

[Albedo]

Or they could charge more, the companies that are bound by tiers of regulation expect tht a job will cost more because of the hoops to lump through. Most sites have half a ream of paperwork and a mornings worth of induction for the smallest of jobs.

 

I may be a one man band but I'm not cheap:001_smile:

[treequip]

I may be a one man band but I'm not cheap:001_smile:

 

I never thought you were mate, but a lot of people underestimate what a main contractor will pay for a compliant problem free job.