new arb numbers?

[Jonnysquares]

Sadly a ticket doesn't denote competence, any employer worth their salt should know this. Anyone straight out of college, worse still straight from 'grant based' or 'fast track' training should be put through closely supervised rigours in-house to assess capability. The volume of college kick outs isn't an issue but its a big leap of faith to assume their qualification counts for much (think degree in media studies...). From experience i'd say 1 in 10 college starters and 1 in 3 college leavers are of 'industry standard' and can take the pace of work and the challenge of the education.

[Ollie Wall]

I think a lot of you are taring youngsters with the same brush! im still in my first year of college, and climb/ groundie for about three different firms. I did have a little bit of industry experience before I started but not all of us are work shy!!!

[MWArb]

I think a lot of you are taring youngsters with the same brush! im still in my first year of college, and climb/ groundie for about three different firms. I did have a little bit of industry experience before I started but not all of us are work shy!!!

 

I'd have to agree Ollie I'm 34 and in my second year level 3 at Riseholme college lincolnshire I hold 30, 31 and 38 and I'm working towards 39. I have 3 years exp at the college and some but very little exp in the industry however I spent 12 years as a builder including running my own firm. I'm reading this and wondering if company's are going to see me as "another college leaver". I have worked hard to change profession and only hope someone will give me a shot at a full time job when i finish in June.

[will.morris]

A & E probably, tickets to use saws but no real experience is never a good mix

 

Very negative view ... what are you proposing then that people go out and use saws without training to get experience BEFORE they get they're tickets

 

Going to put my neck out on the line and say they're are a fair few grumpy old men candidates with their views about new arborists! Everyone has to start somewhere and I'm sure everyone of the experienced arborists on here has made plenty of mistakes throughout their career ...unless anyone wishes to claim that every branch they've ever cut has fallen exactly as they planned.

 

Not everyone coming out of college is going to be upto industry speed standards I know, but the good ones, with a bit of initial backing/support could make very good, young climbers in 'X' amount of time if company owners are willing to invest a bit of time in them.

 

Plus just because someone has not killed themselves climbing for 30 years does'nt mean they are going to be safe/efficient or have a good attitude.

 

I think people should be a little more open minded and judge new comers individually rather than tarring them all with the same brush. Pick out the positives/potential in a person and see how they could become a beneficial factor for your own company under your wing initially.

 

Rant over ... *Runs away*

[john p]

i never started this thread to run down new arbs,purely to get an idea how many are coming into the industry every year

[David Goss]

Very negative view ... what are you proposing then that people go out and use saws without training to get experience BEFORE they get they're tickets

 

Going to put my neck out on the line and say they're are a fair few grumpy old men candidates with their views about new arborists! Everyone has to start somewhere and I'm sure everyone of the experienced arborists on here has made plenty of mistakes throughout their career ...unless anyone wishes to claim that every branch they've ever cut has fallen exactly as they planned.

 

Not everyone coming out of college is going to be upto industry speed standards I know, but the good ones, with a bit of initial backing/support could make very good, young climbers in 'X' amount of time if company owners are willing to invest a bit of time in them.

 

Plus just because someone has not killed themselves climbing for 30 years does'nt mean they are going to be safe/efficient or have a good attitude.

 

I think people should be a little more open minded and judge new comers individually rather than tarring them all with the same brush. Pick out the positives/potential in a person and see how they could become a beneficial factor for your own company under your wing initially.

 

Rant over ... *Runs away*

 

Haha no need to run that was well said. Newcomers all need a break and a chance to prove themselves but it is also true that a lot of them just don't have it in them to become good. The worse ones are the real cocky ones that think they know it all but usually they are the ones that will end up in A&E blabbering about it being the saws fault or something. The ones that will become good IMO are the quiet ones that ask questions instead of boasting about how huge that tree was they did the other day! Quiet means thinking and paying attention but that doesn't mean they can stand staring into space thinking too much, there's lots of sweating to do while your thinking:sneaky2:

And if you can't take a load of second hand slaggings then forget it:lol:

I don't think all newbies get tarred with the same brush it's just that there is more dumplings giving the few good ones a harder task to prove themselves.

[Dr.Green]

agree with above statement --

[Ollie Wall]

David makes a good point, we have many 'cocky ones' on my course! and John to give you an idea... in the first three months of a level 3 diploma we lost 3 guys out of about fifteen, I think I fair few won't be back next year!

 

Ollie

[Mark Bolam]

Looking back I was useless when I passed 39, and became, in my eyes, qualified.

 

Luckily I met an old school guy with a decent business, and he needed someone and had the experience and patience to bring me on.

 

He is still a good mate, and we team up on bigger jobs and I still sub for him.

 

A couple of things wind me up.

 

19 year-olds who think it's unfair because I have a truck, chipper, contacts, tip sites etc. and they don't. I didn't have it at 19 either, I just grafted till I did. Noone ever gave me anything.

 

Second is people desperate to join the industry because of an image that is formed by looking at vids and pics from glossy brochures.

 

Yes, I have knocked off big tops on sunny days wearing my Oakleys with a drooling crowd of porn star looking honeys drooling over the size of my bar.

 

Most of the time though the job is actually quite boring - dragging brush, chipping, endless raking, bramble, wild rose, dragging shite out of ponds etc.

 

The first day at college should be topping a conny filled with Russian vine and a Pyrocantha grown into it. That is reality.

 

I love this industry, and would recommend it to anyone with the right ability and attitude, and that means serving your time.

 

Low paid, dirty, sometimes dangerous, sometimes demeaning, sometimes antisocial time.

 

Most pro arbs are either miserable sods or have a great sense of humour.

 

The first set are business owners trying to make a company work in a saturated industry. The second set are employed lads with no worries and a few good freelancers.

 

There's a few like me, in between.

 

It will level out, I'm sure, but as a newbie I'd be looking at IRATA for sure.

 

A couple of years off the rigs in Angola and you could probably buy Arbtalk.

[john p]

good post mark,gonna have steve floating arb talk on the stock market now!!