I need some leaves of a Quercus suber (Cork Oak)

[RobRainford]

Here's the standard one I think, not to step on toes but I was curious!

 

Variegated Pagoda Dogwood (Cornus alternifolia 'Argentea') At Shelmerdine Garden Center In Winnipeg, Manitoba

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

I mean pagoda, as in large tree looks like ash!

[RobArb]

wrong thread i know, but as you fancy your skills somewhat and i know who your tutor is this may get interesting.

 

a year ago i had to condemn a pergoda tree ona site a friend manages, i had planned to identify it and propogate it, but he felled it and told me months later!

 

now, the problem is thus, i wanted to replace this tree as a gift for the site which once rivalled kew, around the sixties. now this pergoda was variegated, but not in anyway currently described, the variegation was a band of pale yellow running down the midrib longtitudinaly.

 

name this tree or find its brother/sister and you will be better than ANYONE ive asked to date! including hilliers and barchams!

 

This is a burden on my mind, to replace this tree, but have been unable to do so, i fear it may have been a unique sport.

 

 

 

 

so does it have a compound pinnate leaf or is it the single simple leaf like robs dogwood suggestion?

[RobArb]

got ya (posted at the same time)

 

Styphnolobium japonicum it is then!

 

hunting here we come:biggrin:

[RobArb]

Do us a favour tony, just google images Styphnolobium japonicum to check that it is the right tree before i go searching for cultivars and varieties and strange one off hybrids:001_tt2:

 

Also can you tell me the site of the original tree as this sometimes helps, ta:thumbup1:

[RobArb]

anything like this?

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

bloody hell rob! well done son! I am impressed to say the least!

 

have you an image of mature leaves fully out so i can be 100%

[RobArb]

That's the only shot I've got at the mo, will be home soon and get the full details and see if I can get more images:biggrin:

 

Sent from Rob's GalaxySII

[RobArb]

MMmm, OK, nearest i can get is Styphnolobium japonicum 'Variegata'

There are however one or two rare sports as this could've been.

 

Is it also possible that as a late leafer and early dropper, could it not have been a weird interveinal sclerosis? There is alos one or two (one pictured above) different varietes of variegated trees, non-really cultivated anymore

 

Varieties

 

The weeping form of the Pagoda tree was particularly suited to the picturesque tastes of the Victorian era, and was more commonly used than the species during that period. Styphnolobium japonicum 'Pendula' had first been cultivated in China; the plant-hunger Robert Fortune reported seeing a weeping Pagoda tree in Shanghai during his visit to that city in 1853. Although it seldom flowers, and is difficult to propagate and expensive, Scott called this variety:

 

the finest of small pendulous trees. ... [its] branches are green and somewhat angular or crooked so that in winter the tree has a somewhat knotted and curious look. ... It is at the same time symmetrical and picturesque.

 

Sargent praised it as well:

 

It has long pendulous shoot ... We hardly know anything more ornamental or striking; even in winter, the long slender branches of beautiful bright green render it most attractive.

 

'Pendula' is still used today as a formal specimen or living sculpture. Its convoluted branching structure makes very little growth on its own, so it must be grafted to seedling understock at the desired ultimate height of the resulting tree.

 

Another early variety, Styphnolobium japonicum 'Violacea', is apparently no longer available in the nursery trade, although it is grown at the Arnold Arboretum. Brought from China to the Paris Jardin des Plantes in the 1850s, this variant was described as having flowers "stained with rose-violet". Although the flowers may have been beautiful, it bloomed too late to open well. and may have been given up because its flowering was unreliable.

 

A third variety, 'Variegata', was soundly disliked by all who wrote about it, and is also no longer available. Sargent wrote, "The color of the leaf is sickly and we do not consider it desirable, except for arboretums."

 

A variety that can still be found is 'Tortuosa', which is marked by twisted branching and very slow growth.

 

There is also some good images on http://www.davesgarden.com (but they're copyrighted and didn't know if i could post here), if you search for sophora japonica not styphnolobium japonicum, yes confusing i know:001_rolleyes:

 

Hope this has helped and i will carry on searching everynow and again:thumbup:

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

wise move on the photos, though ALL images are copyright, and the intelectual property of the taker, unless of course you have signed up for say face book flicker sort of stuff.