Butt pollarding Oak tree

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Next generation of tree cutters.... What a romantic notion, sorry but if you read Hamas qoute to me he admits that phased reductions often result in tree death, yes pollarding harsh looks awful and yes it could be described as butchery, I for one would not want my truck out side the house so people can say what a butcher ,but from my experience I have only killed seen one oak killed with a pollard and that was down to it being ring barked...your call but it's even sadder to see the tree fo completely even worse if it fails down to your judgement. I will let you in on a secret .... I hated what was done to the oaks that I refered to in my second post infact I only grounded second day because I felt the consultant made a huge mistake in saying do that , the out come now is more favourable.... And I eat my words In calling it butchery!

 

do NOT miss qoute me to your own ends.

[MattyF]

Ive seen as you say many a tree killed by long term pruning programmes.

 

Oh sorry ...

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Oh sorry ...

 

long term PRUNING programmes,NOT suggesting retrenchment pruning, more those repatative subsidence specs and city prunes.

 

I.e back to previous specs on a 3 to 5 year rotation

[Old Mill Tree Care]

Flipping' 'Eck stump grinder!

 

The term 'educating clients' is not irritating, its the same as informing them or giving them guidance which in turn means giving them the options.

 

You're right saying they look to us for guidance but completely wrong if you think all they want to know is 'should I take it down?'. They want options. If they want it felled they would ask for that.

The tree surgeon that suggests felling as a first priority sounds like a pocket liner.

 

Please re-read the earlier posts to see that people are not suggesting fence sitting but a measured long term approach that can serve the landscape, the client, the tree, the wildlife, the contractors commercial interest, etc but necessarily in that order.

[Le Sanglier]

Flipping' 'Eck stump grinder!

 

The term 'educating clients' is not irritating, its the same as informing them or giving them guidance which in turn means giving them the options.

 

You're right saying they look to us for guidance but completely wrong if you think all they want to know is 'should I take it down?'. They want options. If they want it felled they would ask for that.

The tree surgeon that suggests felling as a first priority sounds like a pocket liner.

 

Please re-read the earlier posts to see that people are not suggesting fence sitting but a measured long term approach that can serve the landscape, the client, the tree, the wildlife, the contractors commercial interest, etc but necessarily in that order.

 

QK, I will leave the second point as it is too complicated for us to debate

and has been covered elsewhere.

As for "educating clients" it is a phrase I hear often on this forum, I am guessing its a mantra that is taught at college. my issue with it is that if I

,a tradesman, stood there and told a client I was educating them, I would be given pretty short shrift.

Do Mechanics educate their clients? Plumbers? Window Fitters? no they tell them whats wrong, the options and the cost.

Thats all we are ,Tradesman, not Planet saving heroes helping the ignorant customer see through the fog to the righteous path.

(the last bit was a bit tongue in cheek)

[Old Mill Tree Care]

Stumpgrinder

 

I take your point. I have never told a client that I am educating them, I've only ever presented options.

 

As for comparing us to window fitters, are you serious et al?! Perhaps you should go to college to be educated.

Our job remit is infinitely more diverse and complicated than that of a person who says 'the window frame is leaking, I'll change it' or ' the tap is dripping, I'll fix that'.

 

Every single tree is different and must be treated as an individual case therefore we must be educated so that we may guide our clients in the best way possible.

No disrespect intended to other tradesmen but every flat roof is the same. Every leaking tap is the same. Every fence is the same. Need I go on?

 

Clearly this thread has run it's course. Thanks to all those who contributed.