Climate Change - Man made or not?

[treemeup]

err no, receding of the glacial CO2/water ice at the poles was covered by

 

it just so happens the ~0.5deg C rise in the average temperature of Mars mirrors the ~0.5deg C rise in the average temperature on earth in the same time period, which given Mars & earth are close to each other vs. the other planets then what causes them to heat up be the near same average amount? the big orange ball of heat that we & Mars orbit around?

 

ere, there aint no glaciers on the surface of mars and hasn't been for 00000s of years:confused1:

the temp rise on mars is due to albedo, the reflection of the sunlight from dust. ie there is less dust blowing in the atmosphere of the planet, maybe our temperature rises are due to winds dying down on mars!

 

I have to say I wouldn't sit in my greenhouse with the 088 on full revs for long, bit smaller than the earth(less engines mind) but there are plants, water, soil, insects etc I imagine the climate of my greenhouse would change I just wouldn't hang around to find out!

[b101uk]

ere, there aint no glaciers on the surface of mars and hasn't been for 00000s of years:confused1:

the temp rise on mars is due to albedo, the reflection of the sunlight from dust. ie there is less dust blowing in the atmosphere of the planet, maybe our temperature rises are due to winds dying down on mars!

 

err it has North & south poles like the earth with CO2 ice & some water ice, so it has a form of glacial ice caps at its poles.

 

have you not seen the news tonight?

[Dagmar]

It looks like the wheels are flying off the 'global warming' bandwagon!

 

I'm not convinced that it was ever anything other than a scare tactic to make us all accept higher prices/taxes in the name of saving the planet.

 

The only ones still sticking to the "we're all going to burn/drown/starve" mantra are the mental wing of the environment movements!!

[Pete Mctree]

From what I have read the earth is still coming out of the last ice-age. However the repercusions of human actions, via the consumption and combustion of fossil fuels and natural resources, have drastically accelerated the process beyond a rate which our current flora and fauna can cope.

Time to accelerate the process and instigate the demise of the human race, thus giving the rest of the world a chance to recover perhaps?

[Dagmar]

Time to accelerate the process and instigate the demise of the human race, thus giving the rest of the world a chance to recover perhaps?

 

Yes, that what I meant by the mental wing................

 

Where is the real evidence that we, as in the human race, are so destructive? Scratch at the surface of the 'evidence' and it has little substance.

[Pete Mctree]

Yes, that what I meant by the mental wing................

 

Where is the real evidence that we, as in the human race, are so destructive? Scratch at the surface of the 'evidence' and it has little substance.

 

By mental you mean someone being objective and viewing the human-race as a part rather than the whole?

 

 

As for evidance ask those some years senior to you about the climatic changes. Even as a child i remember genuine severe weather.

I hold more faith in recent recorded history as opposed to so called infalable predictions.

[Dagmar]

By mental you mean someone being objective and viewing the human-race as a part rather than the whole?

 

 

 

As for evidance ask those some years senior to you about the climatic changes. Even as a child i remember genuine severe weather.

I hold more faith in recent recorded history as opposed to so called infalable predictions.

 

By mental I mean anyone who holds onto an unprovable and witless argument then uses it to beat themselves and anyone else with it, this in spite a landslide of evidence to disprove and discredit that very argument.

 

 

As for anecdotal evidence; this tends to be unreliable and subject to whimsical reminiscence. Put your faith in the scientific record - particularly with regard to temperature fluctuation and you see that there has been no significant (global) warming in the past 100 years.

 

As to asking my elders, my grandfather kept a systymatic record of weather conditions since 1946 which was continued by my father. the Family had maintained this record keeping in Silesia since the 1850's, only stopping in 1945, all irretrievable now of course.

[Dagmar]

The Greens Are Going Crazy

 

It's hard to ignore the fact that the Greens are going crazy, not just in the United States, but around the world. They are increasingly frantic over the opposition being voiced against global warming, one of the greatest hoaxes in modern history. The Greens have bet everything on global warming as the reason for giving up the use of long established sources of energy such as oil, coal and natural gas. The object has been to slow everything the modern world calls progress.

 

In India, a spokesman for that nation of one billion people has flatly refused to accept the global warming hoax. China shows no sign of yielding to the global warming lies. The greatest agricultural and mercantile economy to have ever existed, the United States of America continues to thwart its own growth by yielding to the lies.

 

Recently the Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid, said that "coal makes us sick. Oil makes us sick. It's global warming. It's ruining our country. It's ruining our world." No, what makes us sick is listening to such preposterous lies. A Rasmussen telephone survey taken after Sen. Reid's absurd statement found that 52% of voters surveyed rejected his views about coal and oil, double the amount of those who agreed.

 

What is troublesome, however, is that the same survey found the voters evenly divided on whether global warming exists or poses a threat. Fully 47% of those surveyed believe that human activity affects the climate. Both candidates for President are publicly committed to the global warming hoax by varying degrees.

 

Despite an intense, decades-long propaganda campaign, coupled with indoctrination in our nation's schools, the truth is beginning to emerge. In March, an international conference on climate change organized by The Heartland Institute brought together over 500 of the world's leading climatologists, meteorologists, economists and others for three days of seminars and presentations that completely refuted the pronouncements of the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and disputed the lies of Al Gore's famed "documentary."

 

As recently as July 8th, the Space and Science Research Center held a news conference in which it stated that the warming that has occurred since the end of the Little Ice Age in 1850 was completely natural, i.e., had nothing to do with human or industrial activity. More significantly, the Center went on record saying that, "After an exhaustive review of a substantial body of climate research, and in conjunction with the obvious and compelling new evidence that exists, it is time that the world community acknowledges that the Earth has begun the next climate change." The current warming period is not only at an end, but a distinct cooling cycle has begun and will bring "predominantly colder global temperatures for many years into the future."

 

Just how crazed has the environmental movement become? On July 7th it was announced that Argentine scientists have been strapping plastic tanks to the backs of cows to collect and measure how much methane gas they produce. Methane, like carbon dioxide, is a minor component of the Earth's atmosphere. Methane is also released from swamps, landfills and other sources. If it and CO2 played a significant role in determining the world's climate, it would be a cause for concern, but it is the Sun that primarily drives the Earth's climate cycles. Solar activity has gone quiet in recent years as fewer and fewer sunspots, magnetic storms, have been seen.

 

To maintain the global warming hoax, thousands of events and natural phenomena have been blamed on it. A recent example is the floods in America's mid-West. The National Wildlife Federation released a statement on July 1st blaming global warming.

 

Climate experts at The Heartland Institute were quick to respond. Dr. Joseph D'Aleo, Executive Director of the International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project, said, "Alarmists have adopted the can't-lose position that all extremes of weather - cold, warm, wet, or dry - are all due to global warming", adding that, "The record snows, severe weather, and heavy rainfall have been the result of rapid cooling in the northern tier of the United States and Canada, not global warming."

 

Early in July, Bret Stephens, writing in The Wall Street Journal, called global warming "a mass hysteria phenomenon", noting that "NASA now begrudgingly confirms that the hottest year on record in the continental 48 was not 1998, as previously believed, but 1934, and that six of the 10 hottest years since 1880 antedate 1954. Data from 3,000 scientific robots in the world's oceans show there has been slight cooling in the past five years."

 

The global warming hoax has never been about the climate. It is about competing economic theories. "Socialism may have failed as an economic theory," wrote Stephens, "but global warming alarmism, with its dire warnings about the consequences of industry and consumerism, is equally a rebuke to capitalism." The United States Senate refused to consider the UN Kyoto Protocol on Climate Change that requires massive reductions in carbon dioxide emissions based solely on the global warming hoax, but other nations did sign on. None have ever met their obligation to limit CO2 emissions, nor need they have bothered.

 

At the recent G8 conference an international agreement to cut CO2 emissions was given serious consideration despite the fact that the Earth is now a decade into a cooling cycle likely to last several decades or longer. The impact of this proposal on the lives of ordinary citizens will prove needlessly costly. Proposals in some nations for various taxes based on global warming are a form of fraud.

 

The sensible refusal by leaders in emerging economies such as China and India would make it impossible for any limitations on carbon emissions by Western nations to have any impact, even if such reductions had anything to do with the realities of the Earth's climate. The only thing that can be predicted with certainty is that the Greens will become increasingly unhinged and crazed by the failure of the global warming hoax.

 

Source:http://www.aim.org/aim-column/the-greens-are-going-crazy/

[Dagmar]

Even those who still cling to the belief that carbon will destroy us are in for a shock:

 

 

Wind power is responsible for a LOT of CO2 emissions!

 

The Brits have a goal of getting 30% of their electricity from the wind in 12 years. But the wind is not reliable. A backup will be needed. Which led to a study headed by James Oswald, an engineering consultant and former head of research and development at Rolls Royce Turbines.

 

He said: "Wind power does not obviate the need for fossil fuel plants, which will continue to be indispensable. The problem is that wind power volatility requires fossil fuel plant to be switched on and off, which damages them and means that even more plants will have to be built. Carbon savings will be less than expected, because cheaper, less efficient plant will be used to support these wind power fluctuations. Neither these extra costs nor the increased carbon production are being taken into account in the government figures for wind power."

 

Lewis Page of the Register interviewed Oswald. Page wrote: "The trouble is, according to Oswald, that human demand variance is predictable and smooth compared to wind output variance. Coping with the sudden ups and downs of wind is going to mean a lot more gas turbines - ones which will be thrashed especially hard as wind output surges up and down, and which will be fired up for less of the time."

 

Every generation wants to save the world from some calamity, usually depicted as karma for man's sin. The nature of the sin varies - Sodom and Gomorrah had no SUVs - but the call is the same: Repent and sin no more and save the world.

 

Source: http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/2008/07/25/ill-wind-blows/

 

Via The Register

[Jamie]

I don't believe that we are the sole cause but i also believe that we should be reducing our 'carbon footprint', increasing reducing reusing and recyling etc etc all the same.

 

 

Jamie