crown reductions on beech with merrip, whats peoples thoughts

[sean]

apparently trousers kill more people in the uk than chainsaws......

[Dean Lofthouse]

Why place the risk there though David.

 

The family of the Huddersfield girl killed a couple of years ago may not share your sentiment

 

If you stand at the side of the road long enough you may eventually get run over or you may not.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Im not in agreement with your comment about a less risk oriented approach...NTSG is in no way suggesting we ignore risk. Rather, it seeks to address what in it's view, has become an over estimated risk......For this, there needs to have been some "quantification" but given recently aired views about thick arborists who dont know 6 is 9 , just the other way up....I will withdraw hastily!

 

You DID READ it didnt you!

 

maybe you didnt feel the same bit i did, or got my meaning in the statement.

 

What they are proposing is that people are inherantly able to determine what is a "reasonable risk" and that the majority of land owners who are familiar with their trees and land will not be expected to take it anymore seriously than they did way before trees became big news and we all spent thousands on CPD and degrees to learn how to be "scientific" about tree assesment.

 

That they said in the doc, trees represent a 1 in 10,000,000 risk of death or serios injury so current managment principles are " over zelous" which contradicted the HSE who said "risks HAVE been adequatley managed in the last 20 years? so what is it to be, reduce the managments, or maintain the status quo without going any further? the two seem to have different objectives, and as for Mr fay, well he predicts the end of the chainsaw within ten years?

 

theres a lot to be cleared up as far as this doc is concerened, and im sure you wont dissagree with that at the least?

[David Humphries]

Why place the risk there though David.

 

The family of the Huddersfield girl killed a couple of years ago may not share your sentiment

 

If you stand at the side of the road long enough you may eventually get run over or you may not.

 

That wasn't Merip or Beech though Dean.

 

 

Was that authorities Tree management system robust enough to manage their risk?

 

But that's for a different thread.

 

I'm not callous enough not to feel sympathy for 'a' families loss, but my sympathy would be increased eight fold for the families of the fatalities who perished by car that particular day.

 

I manage trees that have the potential to be managed & I cut Trees down that don't.

 

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[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Why place the risk there though David.

 

The family of the Huddersfield girl killed a couple of years ago may not share your sentiment

 

If you stand at the side of the road long enough you may eventually get run over or you may not.

 

7 people a year on average die from falling wood, trees limbs etc, why should we rape the natural world just to avoid such a small, tiny miniscule risk?

 

you cant eliminate risk, thats a fact of life, and the fact that we are even trying to is just proof of how far removed we have become form the natural order of life.

[Dean Lofthouse]

7 people a year on average die from falling wood, trees limbs etc, why should we rape the natural world just to avoid such a small, tiny miniscule risk?

 

you cant eliminate risk, thats a fact of life, and the fact that we are even trying to is just proof of how far removed we have become form the natural order of life.

 

Simple answer to that is the tree is going to come down anyway..

 

Replant another

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Simple answer to that is the tree is going to come down anyway..

 

Replant another

 

The isde of the road is not the place for retention of compromised trees though is it dean?

 

i wouldnt imply that it was, least not busy urbanised roads, as apposed to historic avenues that are managed and whos leverages are so much more optimal for a "ecosystem lifestyle"

[Bundle 2]

"I manage trees that have the potential to be managed & I cut Trees down that don't. "

 

This is the crux of the matter.....there is no future in a process that fails to stick to this basic principle. No ifs , buts or maybe's .

Just how successful we are as an industry will be measured by this same principle in years to come.

Remember, we are not going to be judged by how much arguing and/or discussion we manged to cram into any given decade.....

[Buzzsurgeon]

Who wants to look at a beech tree that has been reduced? Why not just remove now and replace with a nice young vigorous specimen? Waste of time and resources that could be better focused elsewhere??

[Dean Lofthouse]

Its humans that need sorting Tony, nature gets on with it and accepts whatever comes along. Humans blame everybody and everything and go see solicitors

 

In the right place such as in Daves past examples and with a good management plan no worries mate, but to me there's always the climber to consider if one has to come down eventually, or should I say rigged down, why delay, get the thing down and dont leave it till its weakened

 

I had to do one this year, they had left it till it was totally dead, I warned them it needed to come down 2 years previous.

 

Take em down earlier and plant multiple replacement trees is what I say, then there's more eco, habitat thingemibobs for the future