Stove statistics are they correct?

[GarethM]

I shall do neither, do whatever you want until that hetas sweep refuses to sign off you're paperwork or you end up with a chimney fire.

 

If you're so confident in your amazing abilities, design something better, but I'm sure the thousands spent on eco design are just for show and it's a mob style racket!.

 

Next they'll be a long managerial post extolling how it's available in x,y,z and it's just a box.

[BillQ]

[GarethM]

[Muddy42]

I agree the OP!

 

I also have struggled with an eco design stove am not in a smoke control zone and have also adapted my stove to provide more control over the air flow and to 'open up the exhaust' area of the flue.

 

Its hard to explain, but I have drilled holes in the slider to allow in more air if required. It also had a square vermiculite panel in the roof that acted as a baffle, but with only an inch wide gap for the smoke to escape. I made a new smaller roof panel that allows more smoke to escape.

 

In my opinion Eco design stoves were designed by scientists to work efficiently in a very narrow perfect set of circumstances and probably only in a modern house.  If something is slightly out, the draw slightly lower or stronger or there is a downdraft or the flue is too long etc, the stove will play up.

 

What's the point of a stove that sends very clean smoke to the outside world but smokes into my house?

[GarethM]

Personally I think it's mostly poor installation that cause problems, personally no external air and I don't think they should be fitted full stop, treat it like a gas boiler installation.

 

I've a big boy 25kw DEFRA boiler, fully adjustable draught regulation etc.

Which was and is tuned using a differential pressure meter I own and is also dependent on the cowl etc.

 

I've known plenty that have tinkered and had to replace the stoves within a few years, either burnt out the inners or turned it into a cracked piece of scrap.

[Stere]

Why no to external air?

 

Thought it would be better  esp if its a well sealed modern house.

 

 

[Muddy42]

1 hour ago, GarethM said:

Personally I think it's mostly poor installation that cause problems, personally no external air and I don't think they should be fitted full stop, treat it like a gas boiler installation.

 

I've a big boy 25kw DEFRA boiler, fully adjustable draught regulation etc.

Which was and is tuned using a differential pressure meter I own and is also dependent on the cowl etc.

 

I've known plenty that have tinkered and had to replace the stoves within a few years, either burnt out the inners or turned it into a cracked piece of scrap.

 

It sounds like you are a tinkerer aswell.  I use open fires, stoves and an eco angus boiler, the house insurers have photos of them all.  If I waited for a HETAS approved installers to do everything, nothing would happen and it would be too expensive.  A certified bloke give me a bit of paper every summer saying he has serviced the biomass and cleaned the chimneys and checked the stoves, this is too keep the insurers happy, but honestly I get the chimneys cleaner and the biomass operating better than they do.  Having had professionally installed Clearviews and an eco design esse stove, I would 100% rather have the former.

Edited 7 hours ago by Muddy42

[GarethM]

23 minutes ago, Stere said:

Why no to external air?

 

Thought it would be better  esp if its a well sealed modern house.

I wrote no external air, no install 

[GarethM]

17 minutes ago, Muddy42 said:

 

It sounds like you are a tinkerer aswell.  I use open fires, stoves and an eco angus boiler, the house insurers have photos of them all.  It I waited for a HETAS approved installers to do everything, nothing would happen and it would be too expensive.  A certified bloke give me a bit of paper every summer saying he has serviced the biomass and cleaned the chimneys and checked the stoves, this is too keep the insurers happy, but honestly I get the chimneys cleaner and the biomass operating better than they do.  Having had professionally installed Clearviews and no an eco design esse stove, I would 100% rather have the former.

I wouldn't say tinker, but I know the boiler inside out and back to front and the thing isn't sat facing my in my living room when I'm watching TV when it fails 🙂.

 

I've long thought the hetas biomass industry needs a complete start again, having met plenty of installers, they were barely above combi boiler level.

 

It's also a complex joke to get certified, I've looked and it was just like WTF. They expect you to be a plumber/gas fitter previously, even the gas boys are staying away from doing flue installs due to the cowboys.

[BillQ]

2 hours ago, GarethM said:

I wrote no external air, no install 

I would disagree with that too, my house was designed for airflow (early 1960's house) and has less condensation now than with the modern gas combi boiler alone. 

 

Here's the wonder of technology that stops me from setting the right burn for the right conditions and fuel. Not rocket science that's for sure.