Pretty confident its white beam but 2 variations ?

[MRRELAXATION]

Hello guys 

 

back again with a confusing tree I saw on the way to dove stones today (north england)

 

So i took photos eager to look it up in my back this evening however im confused (as always)

 

so the first tree im pretty confident is whitebeam however the second may also be whitebeam but maybe a hybrid ?

 

its not the first time ive seen these two tree growing next to each other, I also came across it on my my to work yesterday morning (Manchester)

 

Has anyone got any ideas what the second tree might be if not whitebeam, surely there both sorbus at the very least ?

 

Ive also tagged another photo on the end that I've not looked up yet in my book … it was just on its own and there was no other kind for miles round, wierd … must be maple family right ? 

[MattyF]

Bastard service tree.. not a hybrid. 

[Bombadil]

Swedish Whitebeam innit?

[MattyF]

Probably , I’ve had 5 pints and can’t see with hay fever. 

[kram]

3rd is an oak, leaves look similar to a pin oak thats opposite my house, but the Plantnet app on my phone says black oak from your picture, I've not seen enough to know the difference.

 

 

[MRRELAXATION]

1 hour ago, kram said:

3rd is an oak, leaves look similar to a pin oak thats opposite my house, but the Plantnet app on my phone says black oak from your picture, I've not seen enough to know the difference.

 

 

Wow ! Ive never seen an oak like this, im going to look it up in my book tomorrow .. I may even go down to have another look 

[MRRELAXATION]

3 hours ago, Bombadil said:

Swedish Whitebeam innit?

Swedish whitebeam … Ill look that up tomorrow

 

so that is the second variation then .. is Swedish whitebeam common in the UK ?  
 

thanks for the answer btw 👍

[richyrich]

Swedish Whitebeam is (I think) hybrid of whitebeam and rowan. Fairly common ornamental.I NOW DON'T KNOW IF HYBRID BECAUSE ALSO DESCRIBED AS A SUB SPECIES - I wouldn't think a hybrid is a sub species. 

Edited June 2 by richyrich
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[Bombadil]

7 hours ago, MRRELAXATION said:

Swedish whitebeam … Ill look that up tomorrow

 

so that is the second variation then .. is Swedish whitebeam common in the UK ?  
 

thanks for the answer btw 👍

Plenty round here as street trees. Nice fresh green of the new foliage, flowers, fruits for the birds and then Autumn colour too. They give a lot.