Bad graft in beech or embedded wire

[Stere]

Interesting about grafted cherry &  surface roots

 

Never realized that was a graft related thing I thought cherries just have shallow roots...

 

Any info?

[Suffolk Dave]

No David I haven't,  this was several years ago, but I will have look next a week as on the estate where one failed, of interest this estate had a clump planted beech ( 3 stemmed approx 100 years old) that unwisted it self , most bazaar , had to fell it as close to orangery 

[Mr. Squirrel]

13 hours ago, Suffolk Dave said:

Both looked like pulled apart one was like 

Rough parting, the other  looked just liked it popped off  clean

I’ve seen a similar failure by the sounds of it. ~25-30m tree, the remaining stump looked like a dish. I don’t have any photos now but I’ll see if someone else does. 

[daltontrees]

3 hours ago, Stere said:

Interesting about grafted cherry &  surface roots

 

Never realized that was a graft related thing I thought cherries just have shallow roots...

 

Any info?

Just observation over several decades. Cherry generally has shallow roots but they really seem to bulge and break the surface below grafts.

[Macpherson]

1 hour ago, daltontrees said:

Just observation over several decades. Cherry generally has shallow roots but they really seem to bulge and break the surface below grafts.

 

I was going to ask the same question as @Stere I've always wondered why so many Cherry trees are grafts and what the reason is particularly as most don't seem to produce any fruit, cheers.

[daltontrees]

1 hour ago, Macpherson said:

 

I was going to ask the same question as @Stere I've always wondered why so many Cherry trees are grafts and what the reason is particularly as most don't seem to produce any fruit, cheers.

As I see it most cherry trees in the UK are grown for blossom. Some of them don't produce fruit even if pollinated, or just very small fruit that are not at all nice. I think that over the ages man has come to value blossom colour and density. The japanese have raised it to an art form. But some of the most highly valued blossom varieties either aren't disease resistant enough or take a really long time to develop into viable trees, so common native specimens are grown quickly and cheaply  and used as root stock, onto which the ornamental scion is grafted. I've only started to look into why grafts don't always work out well, but apparently unless the root and scion are very closely related one has a competitve advantage over the other or the auxin distribution (which is what makes trees the shape they are) goes haywire or the vascular vessels size below graft is always greater than above, or... lots of other factors.