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  • Article: Pollards, the forgotten art-discussion

    Po!la*d-a four letter word?

     

    One could be forgiven for thinking it is! I am almost afraid to mention the word in today’s arboricultural scene, but am I the only one who thinks it a little ironic that we now revere the very trees that where pruned in such a way we might now lynch those doing it? Is pollarding really to be considered the ultimate sin? Or is there just a lack of insight into the merits and de merits of each case, and a fear of retribution for going out on a limb and making the choice. At this time it’s a brave man that suggests “sensitive pruning” isn’t always the right approach. As a climber of 20 odd years I have done my fair share of old and veteran trees, and had to pollard (oops, blasphemy!) some for spurious reasons, not having been the one responsible for the job specification. If there is one thing I have gained through my successes and failures it is insight, a “feel” for the tree and its life from seed to senescence, its grace and ultimate glory as a grandfather of time.

    Thanks to the likes of Neville Fay and Ted green MBE the arb world is more enlightened on the whole subject of ancient trees and veteranisation, and the world seems to be awakening to a new understanding. We have come almost full circle, we grew a distain for harsh techniques and Hepting/ Shigo and others exposed the issues with poor pruning and treatments. A refined approach was born and some of us went on to become masters of the art in fine tip reductions in respect of this new knowledge. We stopped over lifting tree canopies and crucified the “over thinners” we mobbed the “purveyor’s of pollard”. While all this was going on a few of us “labourers” where reading up and taking notes, watching the debates and doing what we where told was the “best practice”.

     

    “I’m not suggesting we abandon this approach, preservation of amenity is a different game altogether”

     

     

    Now it is our turn to give some input to the debate, and I am certain there will be many “old school” climbers ready to join in. The one thing that is blindingly obvious to me is that very little respect is paid to the “experience factor” it is all well and good educating yourself and gaining a degree in arboriculture, but you can never learn from books what you learn by feel; and trees, though they may be the substance (paper) of text books, rarely are trees text book in nature. I mean no disrespect to the “consultants” but you really should pay more heed to the views and experience of climbers. The older climbers have a body of experience gained from a time when we just got on with it, rounding over, pollarding etc. We might never consider doing it these days but we know HOW to do it and how to do it well, skills that are being lost on a generation of climbers who only know the way it is today.

    What this will mean in a decade or two is that people with the very skills the veteran brigade seek to re learn will be lost, how hard can you prune? Where can we make that cut for the best compromise of vascular support and minimal dysfunction? Have we not learnt just how resilient trees can be? Decay and dysfunction are part and parcel of a trees old age, be that from natural progressive infections or via pruning wounds, they are the same end result so why fear them? I am sick to my teeth of being told I can not do this and I can not do that, when I have all my life proven time and time again that it CAN be done, but it has to be with “insight” I fear if we don’t settle the debate soon a whole gap will appear in the generations of veterans as the old ones die while we are all trying to “rediscover” the old ways. The Japanese have been “veteranising” for a thousand years, albeit on a different scale, the principles are the same. The art of producing a miniature ancient tree of visual stature and form is the same art required to recreate the ancient pollards and veterans of the medieval era. You just have to think BIG.

    I have seen some ridiculous attempts at re creating the pollard, and some pretty dire attempts at recession pruning, so bad in fact I doubt Mr X in his white transit with traces of tarmac could do a worse job! I can no longer remain silent walking the old deer parks and seeing trees unmulched unfenced and unloved, they are as much a part of our green and pleasant lands history as any building or monument yet they are left to fend for themselves much of the time despite all the current knowledge available. We need to re-evaluate the pollard fast and to think of pollarding as an option for those old trees considered for felling due to various defects, infections or even subsidence issues. I do not mean the way its done on LA budgets either for those thinking along those lines!

    Some people in the field are of the opinion that pollarding was carried out when the tree was young and while this may be true in today’s scene, it was certainly not the case in the medieval period or Tudor period. I am well aware that there exist few records of the pollarding of old. However the tree is a record of its life, it tells us like a book of a thousand pages what events took place in its life, and when. One only has to look at those old pollards of Burnham to see that pollarding was a brutal practice; the evidence is in the hollow centres. We only have to look at compartmentalisation to see how large the tree was when it was Pollarded. The now hollow stems are the new wood that formed over the dysfunctional core. While the living cambium continued to grow over the now dead part, the demons of D, death, decay and dysfunction (Shigo), moved in and had a tasty supper of lignin and/or cellulose.

    I think there was two ways possibly three of pollarding, and certain that Arborist’s of the time much like the good ones today had a “feel” for their art. I am certain that a tree that had previously been un-pollarded would have had the two major lower limbs left on and been decapitated above this point. This guaranteed that the tree would continue to grow and survive the loss of its head, like the “monarchs without head” a form that is made perfectly naturally. We have to realise that in those times text books where the preserve of the wealthy, these where craftsman whose skills where passed on to a new generation of apprentices. They also had the luxury of more trees to make mistakes with, if one or two died it was no big deal, it made good firewood! Today if we gambled with one of say three oaks on a site we would be justifiably lynched if they was to die from such a brutal practice.

    Now going back to the monarch without head, I am certain that once good re growth was established and of much more slender proportions the now only substantial wood left was also highly desirable and those limbs originally left in place where now cut back to some re growth on their length. I am certain it was this process that created those extraordinarily wide shoulders or “pollard heads” we now see especially in the Burnham beech trees. This is also evident in the way the decay columns extend into the larger thicker sections of these old pollard heads.

    This brings me to the whole demons of D thing again, and I think we need to understand these processes far better if we are to re create our heritage trees for future generations to revere. Its an area of heated debate, and an area that is still to this day largely misunderstood and understudied. I hope to convince the sceptical of the role fungi play in the longevity of trees; this is a co evolutionary process that has gone on for millennia. I have a disdain for the word attack when it comes to fungi, and prefer to think of it as taking advantage of a situation. As with all natural organisms and systems they have a role and a purpose, they are essential and should not be viewed as an “enemy”

     

    I think there may have been a time in history, and not so long ago, when mans activities actualy enhanced Bio diversity, rather than eliminated it. We are losing our way, its time to re think our strategies.

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    Nice bowl.

    I think the way to go to would be to go down the line of the ancient crafts route, the pollard is and ancient craft like willow weaving and basketry, there is a few grants out there if you own or manage woodlands from the FC, and there is groups out there that are trying to promote and educate people and the goverment about the need to keep the legacy of incient skills and crafts alive for future generations. this might be of use or not?

     

    Heritage Crafts Association

     

    Forestry Commission - Woodland Management Grant

     

    Good shout !:thumbup1:

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    I agree with the crafts route and modern twist on pollard products, thats what i have been doing.. look at my website. BUT it costs, and as stevie says only rich people can be green / organic in this country. Until there is a change from the 'lets get it delivered to the door by tescos' rather than use the local shop then we are doomed, well not doomed but it is a very neiche market, and one that takes a lot of effort to work.

    And its about education - people we work for need to know that to 'tree- cycle ' their tree into a peice of furniture is an option. Most dont know it can be done, cos the tree man wants the wood for his log delivery. The amount of people that enjoy the fact that the tree can been re used is up to us.. but it will only be the wealthy ones that can take it on board IMO. Councils etc should and could, we have done work that helped their crediability no end, but more could be done..

     

    What if councils or contract managers had to be more aware of what happens to the 'waste', if they could get some new benchs for a park, or play stuff for a school, THAT is the future, then you can start doing URBAN pollarding and the likes, as people will see that the produce has been used and then they will get the picture.. :001_smile: IMO !!

     

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    Im a fan of pollards, i think they can look really good :thumbup1:

     

     

    I think thats about as far as my input will go on this thread :lol:, Very interesting read tho! :001_smile:

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    i never saw stans post geof, yes a good one indeed, and i totally agree BUT the folk that do all the moaning and groaning and leter writing, walking through ticky tape and demanding to know why, who gave the permision blah blah blah are the toffs, who are out walking their ridge backs and vimeranas and have the brass neck to walk into our sites and give us abuse on how bad the tree looks, and then they head back home to call up their old chum who is a judge or lawyer on memeber of a board of something official, (toffs dont have mobiles by the way)then 10 minutes later we get stopped and told to give them a bit of a thin out, thats why if you look round all the street trees or park trees that have had remedial work done, there is always one half pollarded somewhere..But whats even better, they pop round again in the afternoon for more walkies and ask for the firewood, ha ha. they dont wan to give you a penny for it and make you feel as if they are doing you a favour. lol i would rather throw it on a fire or down a banking. So this also goes back to the days gone by where the workers morral on the big estates were all cap in hand bitterness, so when you got a chance to get one over on the laird they usually did.:001_rolleyes:

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    Im a fan of pollards, i think they can look really good :thumbup1:

     

     

    I think thats about as far as my input will go on this thread :lol:, Very interesting read tho! :001_smile:

     

    if you have a huge chipper and 3 workers then pollards are great, now that i have a 4 inch chipper, a van and 1 lad then its tickle tickle time:thumbup1:

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    Your arguments seem somewhat contradictory, earlier you where telling us that trees are "self pollarding" and now you are saying they need YOU to save them???:confused1:

     

    skyhuck, do not patronise the c--p out of me, youre a stick giver, and you KNOW exactly what youre saying when you say it!:001_tt2:

     

    whilst many trees fall apart and go on to live a long life, pollards have very different structures at the pollard head, collapse tends to be far more disruptive to them than an uncut tree.

     

    and so what if i think i am THAT capable?:sneaky2:

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    i never saw stans post geof, yes a good one indeed, and i totally agree BUT the folk that do all the moaning and groaning and leter writing, walking through ticky tape and demanding to know why, who gave the permision blah blah blah are the toffs, who are out walking their ridge backs and vimeranas and have the brass neck to walk into our sites and give us abuse on how bad the tree looks, and then they head back home to call up their old chum who is a judge or lawyer on memeber of a board of something official, (toffs dont have mobiles by the way)then 10 minutes later we get stopped and told to give them a bit of a thin out, thats why if you look round all the street trees or park trees that have had remedial work done, there is always one half pollarded somewhere..But whats even better, they pop round again in the afternoon for more walkies and ask for the firewood, ha ha. they dont wan to give you a penny for it and make you feel as if they are doing you a favour. lol i would rather throw it on a fire or down a banking. So this also goes back to the days gone by where the workers morral on the big estates were all cap in hand bitterness, so when you got a chance to get one over on the laird they usually did.:001_rolleyes:

     

    so cynical!:001_tt2: know where your coming from though!

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    Your arguments seem somewhat contradictory, earlier you where telling us that trees are "self pollarding" and now you are saying they need YOU to save them???:confused1:

     

    I may be wrong, but trees can maybe be capable of self pollarding.

    but surely those that we have inflicted coppice and pollard upon through our endeavours,both past (for a product), and modern,maybe a row of street trees to be retained rather than cut down ,gives us an obligation to cary on our enforced relationship with these long lived trees!

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    out of intrest hamadryad, what do you do with youre tree waste?

     

    i think swb was on the right track at cutting where easiest, but if i were to expand on his comment, i think that cutting large amounts of the tree off in times gone by, hard financial times i may add, 1, gave the (compared to todays times) un educated in tree bioliogy customer more satisfaction than having a tip end reduction, 2, it made more firewood, or PRODUCE, and 3, 100 years ago, we diddnt have the 020!

     

    the history of urban tree work imo as i see it was 100 years ago they diddnt have the knowledge of tree bioliogy, or tools to fanny about on the ends of branches, so gave nice hard pollards, high pollards, and fells (and dont those pollards still look lovely?) and as machinery and kit progressed, and as people wanted to keep their favorite tree out front of their hoouse, we as tree cutters tryed to give the customer what they want, so started taking less and less off, charging more to do so, so the cutters could afford to waste the waste, rather than sell it to make ends meet, inner city stuff couldnt be shifted, so was distroyed, becomming a new practice. then the brainy ones came allong, and started applying science to our work, science started to take over, and all of a sudden, pollards were evil, big wounds, trees in shock, wont recover ect. science takes over, and the art of pollarding and big reductions is lost and is seen as a bit of a taboo (to some)

     

    you say london and surrounding counties waste alot? well may i ask what the tree surgeons are to do with the arisings? is there a more cost effictive, ecological benificial way of removing large ammounts of branches and cord from the middle of a busy city than to chip, and dump? maybe its not the tree gangs you should be targeting youre opinions at, but the places they dump their 100% natural, biodegradeable, re-useable produce?

     

    some really good points there.

     

    well i am in a semi rural area these days, all our chip goes to power plant at slough, rent on storage is even with returns so nothing major about that route to be said.

     

    I do think your right about having some kind of system inner city especialy for making best use and not only value from waste but also best use in terms of carbon cycle and reduction of imports etc.

     

    we do need to get back to a more local produce system, and i mean the world over.

     

    councils are great at "new ideas" green things" and generaly wasting money, lets push and use this to our advantage and at least get them wasting money more effectivley and environmentally friendly!

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    i never said anyone was stupid, i said that folk take the easy option, maybe not everyone, but most, i have worked with guys that were in their 80's, and they would tell me stuff that they had done, their dads had done, and their dads before them, so really they could give you a history lesson over the last 100-150 years, at no time would they ever discuss the amazing pride of the job, they did enjoy it, but back in those days it was hard living, working like hell for a gentry land owner with a hard assed factor cracking the whip, they worked in poor conditions for very little money, and if they got the tree down that was the main thing, any way possible, most of the stories were about near misses and disasters ending up with them getting drunk during the day..:001_smile:

     

    i hate to have to drop a reality bombshell but in those days while the money might not have been great often housing came with the job, a lot of food would have been readily avaliable on the estate and to be honest, Most people would be happy with the pressure release of that lifestyle.

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