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If theres a case for people running mogs etc. on red then where do you draw the line? does that give someone the right to tow a chipper behind a transit carrying their tools to do the same job as a mog the right to run on red or a climber or a faller transporting their tools to work to run on red ? of course not , its illegal road use.For a while people got round it by fitting duel tanks , red empty , white loaded , another grey area, there were farmer/ contractors running soil around in tractors and dump trailers on red by the hundred, doesn't make it right though when someone with a lorry has a lot more expense to do the same work, it was people exploiting grey areas that were in the wrong , not the rules , they are quite clear.
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Its really quite simple, red is a rebated fuel to be used for farming forestry and fishing, there really are no grey areas.Trying to prove cutting domestic or commercial trees and moving the arisings on red diesel does not fall into any of those categories. People can call themselves what they want or register vehicles under the flag of agricultural but it does not give them the right to use rebated fuel. Tecnically if a contractor is hauling grain to a grain store rather than a farm he is breaking the law , he is hauling for gain , the farmer can use his own tractor to haul his own produce to do the same job within the law. Arb work will never be farming forestry or fishing, it will always be arbwork so I personally don't see whats to question.
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That seems a fair way of putting it. In my own case the rules tightened up enough for me to stop what I was doing ,it got to the point where it would be quite easy to have had machines impounded , but tbh once red got to be around half the price of white I was no more competitive than someone with a lorry, the only advantage I had was I could access sites that lorries couldn't. Rebated fuel was never intended for arb work, originally it was a way of subsidising cheaper food production and personally I don't see why anyone outside of that and timber harvesting etc. should jump on the bandwaggon to make their business more profitable.
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Interesting, I would consider Oak in tree length at £3.50 / hoppus grade B as you call it very cheap considering quality Oak can make £6 + hoppus standing. £3.50 is realistically a roadside price for fencing quality Oak with the odd small beam tree mixed in .
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For the benefit of others are you able to give details of your own case? It seems from what you say that you were working within the law on agricultural or forestry work using rebated fuel for that purpose ?
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That is species dependent both in softwood and hardwood. My comment was based on a load of Oak in the previous post . 50% stack measure is a fair assumption on Oak, converting it to hoppus , Oak averages 25 hoppus/ tonne whereas Sycamore , Ash averages 27/ 28 , Beech 25/26.
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That is the accepted formula providing timber is relatively straight
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Thanks, that was the point I was trying to make, a typo made my post confusing. There are no grey areas, denial and rationalising springs to mind.
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There Ihas its own set of rules. Arb vehicles have never come under this flag because they are not forestry, just because they may be registered as agricultural because of the type of vehicle doesn't make running on red legal.In my experience ... and I have been one, the grey areas are a way for the operators to convince themselves that what they are doing is legal, doesn't make it right though.
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Hmmm, not an easy one to answer without ringing bells. In a perfect world yes green timber usually changes hands in the round on weight tickets , but with self weighing lorries the lorry weigher tends to be accepted for the delivered weight. Seasoned roundwood normally goes on a volume basis.
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O P did say hoppus foot so in the round .
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£525 equates to around £20/ tonne. General haulage will always work out cheaper on distance , as has already been said backioading always makes things cheaper , also no crane to buy and run, heavier payload. As Johnny said £6.50 upwards, travel to site always has to be considered along with presentation of timber .
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Oh dear, can you tell what something is worth without seeing it? I doubt it. Hardwood prices are dictated by a lot of factors on a tree to tree basis as I am sure arb work is. Prices get bandied around and people get the wrong idea,the o p didn't give location which is always to be considered , standing , felled , at stump , roadside, shake free, knot free, Ash coloured or white, what size etc. etc.
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I have dropped you a p.m but for the benefit of others I am the buyer for a company and always keen to discuss parcels of timber.
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Born leaders
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Bear in mind their errrm Dad? has just donated too to help flood victims
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Is this for standing firewood?
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Ha ha Jon,i am a buyer, silly money indeed .
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Don't know where you got that information from Jon, I heard they were giving it away.
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We have a site on Humberside to start as soon as ground conditions allow. There will be several hundred tonnes of mainly Ash and Oak topwood to come.If anyone within sensible haulage distance wants to p.m me their phone no:s I will contact them when we have roadside stock to see how they are fixed. Cheers
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Oh, me too
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Oh ok, on some saws you need to pull the cod out a couple of times a short way as you position the starter cover to engage the dogs.
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On a stihl?
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Standing / Roadside hardwood wanted... including POPLAR
lgl replied to lgl's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
Hi Steve ,Peter, thanks for that. Yes we buy all over the country and I realise some of the guys on here have connections with estates, so new contacts are always good. We have very large markets and so parcels of 10k tonnes plus not a problem although I can manage thins on a single load bais for the right material. Cheers -
Standing / Roadside hardwood wanted... including POPLAR
lgl replied to lgl's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
just bumping this one up guys, cheers
