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Would echo all positive comments above, the heat output relative to wood consumption is scarcely credible. We've the 8kw model with room seal kit. It's on a central chimney breast so we used the right angle kit, on an outside wall it'd be even simpler to do and well worth it unless you have a pretty breezy house anyway. Been flawless since the first time it was lit and continues to be so.

With all due respect mate, and I want to tread very carefully around this one, today especially, but I think that's one which may have been overused for political capital. By and large, the Army treats it's leavers pretty well, most of them take advantage of that and integrate back in to as normal a life as is possible given what some of them have been through, a few obviously don't. These ones need, and usually get, extra help (as they should). But their misfortune, or whatever you want to call it, shouldn't really be used as part of a completely different debate, nor should it be center stage of any debate. For one, how it's portrayed is often largely inaccurate, and secondly I find it quite disrespectful to the forces themselves. No offense.

I think you over-estimate the potential impacts of both the EU referendum and Presidential election outcomes. Things will not change overnight and any changes that are at all will be gradual, the world order is too large and powerful for anything or anyone to change it massively and/or quickly. And while I think change is required, I can also see that on balance this is probably a good thing. Globalisation will not disappear, the concept of the huge and powerful multi-national company and it's ability to wield power will not disappear, developed western democracies will not become isolationist (your N Korea analogy is a bit OTT is it not?), people will continue to go to other countries to live and work when beneficial to all concerned, etc, etc. However, many of these concepts are reaching levels where they are starting to become problematic (at best) and my hope is that these results are a signal to the establishment that there are limits to what us common people at the bottom of the food chain will tolerate. Surely it's particularly appropriate today, to appreciate that these messages are better conveyed by a democratic vote than by doing nothing and ending up with violence.

That is so bang on that I'd like to fill several pages with those stupid little thumbs up smilie things. But more importantly, it's also why every single hard working taxpayer irrespective of gender, race, or religion, should have supported brexit, and the election of trump, ..............and if they didn't, then be grateful that enough did.

Do we (or did they for that matter!) even know if he was?, plenty of white support for Clinton too. Maybe just an excuse for an outpouring of racial hatred?

Ridiculous, undemocratic, hypocritical, intolerant, bigoted, racist, xenophobic, destructive, shameful, etc, etc, empty your vocabulary! All these things and more could be justifiably said of the mindless morons out wrecking havoc and destruction as a result of the election not going their way. Plainly, like so many who voted "remain", they have no love or respect for their own country, or those who do, and would probably rather see it in tatters than it going in a direction that they don't like or want. So why rise to their bait, or play the game on their terms, why contribute to the destructive spiral of violence and hate that they want to propagate? Condemn them certainly, but don't mirror them.

Indeed!

Oh come on mate, are you really that wet behind the ears! (*edit* - that's not an insult, by previous postings I don't think you are one bit!) He's preaching to the converted, there aren't going to be any Clinton supporters watching that and think, "Hmmm, he's right you know, I really should catch myself on!" However, there might just be some head melter on his own side sufficiently worked up by it to go out with a baseball bat and tw@t the first person he sees carrying a "Not my president" placard. Inflammatory rantings don't provoke thought, they provoke more extremism and in some cases reactionary violence. Which then provokes more retaliation, which then................etc, etc. Like I said, these things are much easier started than finished. That is not a thought provoking speech, that is a hate fueling rant!

I suggest you aim that comment at someone who hasn't spent a good part of their life in a country torn apart by hatred and division. These things are much easier to start than they are to finish.

I don't think that sort of inflammatory sword waving helps either, there may be a valid point within but why make things worse.

You are of-course quite correct, there may be a perfectly fair and decent reason for the group of blacks systematically beating seven colours of sh1te out of the white guy! :001_rolleyes: Honestly, if this was the other way around can you even begin to imagine the berating that someone would quite rightly receive making excuses for the whites. Blatant racism on your part, quite appalling!

I constantly find it ironic that so many of these liberal types and their various "causes", who love to berate others for their lack of tolerance and understanding, invariably seem to have so little of it themselves!

One of my old teachers at Tech (remember them) started off as an apprentice on the shop floor and worked his way up to be head of the engineering department in that very institution. Brilliant man, and the only person who didn't tell me I was a stupid young fool to pack in a lifetime job at 21 to go self employed. But anyhow, very different world now. There's academia and practicality and never the two should meet. My two are determined to do both and it's only the fact that they're both essentially as thick headed as me that gets them through it.

With respect, I think the problem lies in the difference between the ability to learn and the ability to think. Unfortunately the world of academia is increasingly concentrating on studying and learning as opposed to thinking with the result that you can have some people with a great ability to learn who can go through BSc, Masters, even on to Doctorate stage by nothing more than memorizing and repetition. I don't think that serves society at all unfortunately.

A lot of irony in Trump being an "anti-establishment" figurehead I grant you, ....................but then you look at who and what he was up against and it starts to make more sense.

Selective reporting. Both have said both good and bad, report all the distasteful stuff from one, all the palatable stuff from the other and while you have only reported things which were actually said, you have also conspired to paint a very distorted picture. They done it with pro's and con's of remain vs leave as well. Biased Broadcasting Corporation

Good old BBC, they've been as balanced about the American Presidential election as they were about the referendum. Wrong twice, good job their salaries aren't performance related!

Yet again the silent majority have spoken!

Cracking little tractor and if working as they should will have significantly better hydraulics than a Massey from the same era. 475 was quite sought after as it did indeed have the same Perkins engine as the 165 Massey, but I've had both smaller and larger versions with the International engine and they were grand. Probably the only thing to worry about is to make sure that the engine is sound with good oil pressure as although the Perkins engine is incredibly durable they will wear out eventually and they're a fair bit more expensive to overhaul than the IH engine. But otherwise, one of the best older type tractors you'll buy at any price!

So I take it then that if there is fraudulent activity regarding the vote at establishment level, it WILL be in the support of Clinton?

What about the electoral fraud thing? I mean, us outsiders can only judge by what we're allowed to see or hear, you actually live there. Is it something that firstly, can be done, secondly, is it likely to be done? In short, will Clinton be put in power irrespective of how people actually vote???

I think there'll be too many people in high up places bricking it if Trump gets in to allow it to happen. Our referendum will also have given them a big shake up about the perils of complacency so much as I'd like to see Trump get in as another anti-establishment victory, I really this time can't see it happening. But you do have to say, how has the worlds greatest democracy come to this??????????

Here's one may appeal on several different levels, for me it's the music! [ame] [/ame]

Don't think it's Betula Pendula. The trunk isn't silver enough, the leaves from what I can make out aren't right, and none of mine turned silver with the trunks as thin as some of those are. Leaves look a bit like some sort of maple but again it's really hard to tell.

Me too, have had various other Knipex things over the years which were flawless.