AA Teccie (Paul)

Hi all, I hope yer well n not melting too rapidly An "up norf" event that'd be great to see many of you at For further info and booking please see https://www.trees.org.uk/Training-And-Events/Course-Detail?id=2165BFB0-5EFD-4DD7-9FE0-7C2DDCE6464A Any questions "gis a shout" Thanks all.. Paul

Simplistically the fact that they offer 'repeat business' opportunities, talking topped / 'pollarded'(?) trees here, perhaps every 3-5 years...and then ultimate removal. I know one contractor who has a database of both hedge owning customers he's worked for, and 'topped' tree owners, and he contacts them annually / regularly reminding them their hedges / trees need cutting...works very nice indeed. That's why Paul

Mick, you've misinterpreted my post. The reality is it is more lucrative - a fact, not a snarky comment at all. Secondly, I just sought to add an alternative, possible / viable in some, but not all admittedly, approach which I do think is often overlooked. This is one of a range of options available to the client. I live in a different world to you Mick, admittedly, hence I do sit more on the theoretical side of the industry perhaps but I was merely adding my ten-penneth...take it or leave it. Respectfully Mick, I could challenge you for the constant polar opposite approach...hence a balance, and mutual respect, will hopefully be reached Be happy...at least your not affected by the political farce here in the UK TTFN, Paul

My ten-penneth, please consider removal as an alternative...acknowledged not a lucrative, i.e. no need to return every few years, but it is often a viable option. Cheers, Paul

Needless to say "no pies" before climbing n for goodness sake chose your anchor point(s) very carefully. Tc, Paul

Weak CODITers - birch, poplar, willow, horse chestnut, spruce, tsuga and, to a lesser degree ash. Good CODITers - beech, elm(?), hawthorn, hornbeam, sycamore, pine, yew (also Euro. Lime and English Oak) Taken from 'The CODIT Principle' (ISA publication, translated from German to English/American ) It indicates the wood structure, and particularly parenchyma and vessels arrangement is critical. An excellent book, expensive at £48 but very informative and updates some of the original Shigo stuff. Cheers, Paul

One of the other key benefits will be networking, both with the Association itself and with other contractor members. Obviously here on forum presents a fabulous networking opportunity but not always n wholly ARB Approval focused Thanks for yer posts Paul

Not officially...until ARB Approved but we do have some nice "AA Supporter" car stickers that come with the membership.

Hi Pete, it's certainly not a paid pre-qualification route, although I can understand why you might interpret as such as it is specifically developed to assist and guide contractors to ARB Approved Contractor status. However it's entirely optional and perhaps appeals to those who aren't sure how best to approach this and wish to benefit by partnering with us to seek guidance and assistance. It's not mentoring in a one-to-one sense but we can put Affiliate Contractors in contact with current ArbACs if they so wish. We're keen to maintain contact and offer support and guidance to the many contractors who attend the preparation workshops, thereby having demonstrated an interest in getting approved, but then go away at the end of the day and too often never quite get round to sorting things ready for assessment. Hope this clarifies things a bit n it is "early days" so anymore good suggestions to improve things are most welcomed...thank you Paul

Excellent news, I look forward to receiving it n then we can better guide you down the road to ARB Approved Contractor. Many thanks Paul

Think you've answered your own question there. It's about being competent / qualified (and insured) to do whatever tasks you're assigned and that fall within your realm of expertise, i.e. being professional. Many previous posts have concluded to the same effect. Cheers, Paul

Hi there, sorry but I'm not sure exactly what you're asking here? For the "full monty" on TPOs etc. see https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tree-preservation-orders-and-trees-in-conservation-areas If however your question is about what do you require to see from the tree owner, essentially either a consent notice (dated within the last 2 years) if TPO'd or some form of official communication from the Council, again within the last 2 years, if the tree is within a Conservation Area. Remember "YOU" will commit the offence if you proceed without permission. Cheers, Paul

Hi all, Further details are now available on AA website, see Arboricultural Association - Membership Information Alternatively you can always email me [email protected] or reply here of course. Thanks all Paul

Shhhh, Gary can be a very sensitive Guy

Not totally sure of the "ins n outs" here (as not familiar with the intricacies 2012 regs) in terms of council tree TPO'd, a rare occurrence, but I understand if its CA they simply have to place a notice and if no objections they can then proceed...or similar. However, clearly the tree is dead and thereby excepted from the regs (if applicable) so the council could act accordingly, i.e. cut the tree down if they so wish / felt the need. Further, as a public body, they are ultimately answerable to their residents, collectively, and hence it would be reasonable for them to consult 'local' residents regardless. In terms of 'likelihood' of failure resulting in damage, and taking into account the likely size of the part that fails, probably upper stem section rather than the whole stick, I would be of the opinion it is low level. Doubtless the Beech to which you refer had leaves...a sail area? Just MY "thoughts out loud." Cheers, Paul

...and it looks a gud'un! So, with many more enquires received too, it would seem "the way is paved" Looking forward to more soon Cheers, Paul

Hi all, sorry for short(ish) notice here but if this FREE workshop event is of interest, which I hope it is, please join me. For further info and booking please see Arboricultural Association - Course Detail Hoping to see you there Paul PS Remember this is a 'no obligation' opportunity and you'll find out more about what being a compliant business means.

Hi John, and thanks again Ian for partaking here, and indeed putting things far more eloquently than I could...well at least much more to the point John I too understand what you're suggesting, and all that stuff is integral to the scheme, and very important too, but the scheme seeks to encompass all sectors, albeit it's strength (because of SSiP) is mainly in the commercial sector granted, and compliance is the order of the day...this of course applies equally in the domestic sector even though "Joe Public" doesn't ask about it...unfortunately, I think Cheers, Paul

:thumbup1: (thanks Ian.) Further, it really is achievable, particularly as a small business. As I mentioned in a previous post, so sorry if I'm laboring the point , but Affiliate Contractor Member is designed to help you put the stuff in place you need...which also helps the business too. Cheers, Paul

Hi there Alex, I can't readily guess who TBH and don't really understand the 'politics' reference Paul

Hi John, thanks for posting. As a small business, correspondingly the paperwork requirement is reduced AND the majority of what you need to complete and present is on the AA website. I wholly acknowledge your points here and you can, if you so wish but it isn't the most cost-effective option, undertake the assessment on a Modular basis so presenting the completed works and site works first but the paperwork will still need to follow. In reality, as a small business and at the initial assessment stage, the assessor has a certain amount of discretion to determine approval with follow up paperwork improvements. The Affiliate Contractor Member, is designed to help businesses such as yours to put stuff in place to achieve ARB Approval at a later date...actually within 2 years. Please consider this. Please try to get to one of the workshops when we can talk more...or give me a call sometime (07971 995351) Cheers, Paul

Cheers Ian, if I can I will...Tetley though yeah, none of that Yorkshire Tea stuff Thanks fer that, Paul

An interesting perspective on things. I do acknowledge that poor contractors do have something more to gain in terms of becoming better / good contractors via the scheme but I think you're probably referring to a different take on things. The reality is that in parts of the country where there aren't any ARbACs, or there are very few, we're keen to give applicant contractors every opportunity and time to improve to the final standards required by the scheme. Obviously if this isn't achieved by the time of the reassessment, i.e. 2 years on, we will review. We do market the scheme as an opportunity to "stand out from the (tree surgery) crowd", i.e. aimed at appealing to the good contractors to give the recognition they deserve but in saying this I do acknowledge some, well established and well respected contractors, probably have less to gain. I've pm'd you on the final matter. Thanks, Paul PS What time do you 'log off'?

Reet, ere'goes. Ian, respectfully, everyone knows someone, or 2 or 3, who've been ARB Approved and now aren't n the reasons are often the same...no-one asked for it. I live in S. Devon and about 12 years ago one of the big boy ArbACS won the Torbay Contract, which required ArbAC, and the smaller firms were understandably miffed. So, they, approx. 8, got ArbAC over the years and now local ArbACs have the Torbay Contract and several others including the Devon County Framework. Further others, even some home owners, ask for ArbAC because they've seen it around and know what it means. Hence "chicken n egg" scenario is why we need more contractors all over to become ArbAC. Re-using someone else's work as their own. I'm not saying this can't happen, and obviously it has, but there are checks in place to avoid this happening. Bottom line if someone is hell-bent on cheating then some parts of the scheme are vulnerable but it usually transpires at some stage. The being asked for CHAS / SAFEcontractor etc. is because buyers are familiar with it. Increasingly they're asking for SSiP of which ARbAC is a member AND a tree surgery specific member AND we're about so much more than just paperwork and a desktop audit. Exor & Constructionline are different requiring more than just H&S stuff but ArbAC fulfills this aspect. Trustmark, as a 'tree surgery' registered firm, is only available as ArbAC as we are the only tree surgery scheme operator. The circumstances surrounding the Bartlett's case that you mention are under review, yep "door, close, horse, bolted" BUT at the time the scheme rules tied our hands because HSE were involved which would have been the case whoever the contractor was. This will change in the future as we will reserve the right to temporarily suspend an ArbAC, pending HSE investigation and outcome, albeit very much as the exception and where the scheme reputation is deemed to be at risk. The phrase "lesson learned" comes to mind. As for the AA being "up its own...backside", I fully understand your frustrations as a member but the decision taken by the Board was to restrict logo use to the higher membership levels. Not all at the AA agreed but that is democracy. Ian, I know you're a professional, and I know you care, and I thank you for commenting here...and I'm in Yorkshire in mid-July along with my pen and clipboard Seriously "thank you" and I do acknowledge we've much work still to do to attract good contractors like you and many others onto the scheme Paul

Hi Ian, tis unlike you to be so forthright Sorry, just gotta pop out but will reply fuller later. Thanks for posting Paul