Application of ADR regulations - anyone been through it?

[agg221]

Apologies if this has been covered but I can't search on ADR (too short!)

 

I had the PA1 training course today and the subject of transporting chemicals came up, and at the same time fuel in containers. From my understanding, based on the course supplemented by a bit of digging around on the HSE website, this appears to be a can of worms.

 

It appears that carrying fuel is fine, so long as you are carrying the tools it is going in to - this appears to explicitly exclude carrying fuel for re-supply of tools. Although there is additionally a small load exemption which would cover most needs, it requires that all occupants of the vehicle have had ADR awareness training.

 

From my reading of this - I can go and buy some Aspen on my way to a job (or at least on the way to somewhere credible to be doing a job ) but not just go and pick up some Aspen when I am passing if I haven't got a saw with me. I also can't send someone out off site to buy petrol unless they take a saw with them.

 

I wouldn't be particularly concerned about this if it was a 'hypothetical but will never really happen in practice' situation, but the instructor mentioned that VOSA had targetted diving instructors taking a class out to a course and prosecuted them successfully (but not the trainees as they were not carrying gas bottles in the course of their business and it doesn't apply to private individuals). Apparently the instructors would have been fine if their gas bottles were carried by one of the trainees (effectively equivalent you could send the customer off to buy your petrol but if you go yourself you need to take a saw with you...)

 

I wondered whether anyone had been through this subject in any detail and could confirm my understanding. I would rather avoid being pulled up due to being unaware of a technicality if possible.

 

Alec

[Gary Prentice]

What does ADR stand for?

 

 

It's been a very, very long day:blushing:

 

So if I understand you correctly, sending someone to the garage to fill a vehicle and the 20l jerry can (from which we top up the combicans) would be an issue unless a) there a saw/hedgecutters etc in vehicle or the driver and any passengers have had training?

 

I'd intended to make a cup of coffee while reading arbtalk, but as I haven't received training to use the kettle, i'll go without.

Edited February 16, 2016 by Gary Prentice

[agg221]

What does ADR stand for?

 

 

It's been a very, very long day:blushing:

 

So if I understand you correctly, sending someone to the garage to fill a vehicle and the 20l jerry can (from which we top up the combicans) would be an issue unless a) there a saw/hedgecutters etc in vehicle or the driver and any passengers have had training?

 

I'd intended to make a cup of coffee while reading arbtalk, but as I haven't received training to use the kettle, i'll go without.

 

It actually stands for Accord européen relatif au transport international des marchandises Dangereuses par Route but is the Carriage of Dangerous Goods regulations (2009) as far as the UK is concerned. There was also a 2011 update.

 

As I understand it, your hypothetical situation is correct in its entirety, but additionally your jerrycan must be UN marked (not just CE).

 

(If you've had your tap use refresher course in the last 5yrs you should still be OK for a glass of water - assuming your glass is suitably certified )

 

Alec

[Gary Prentice]

It actually stands for Accord européen relatif au transport international des marchandises Dangereuses par Route but is the Carriage of Dangerous Goods regulations (2009) as far as the UK is concerned. There was also a 2011 update.

 

As I understand it, your hypothetical situation is correct in its entirety, but additionally your jerrycan must be UN marked (not just CE).

 

(If you've had your tap use refresher course in the last 5yrs you should still be OK for a glass of water - assuming your glass is suitably certified )

 

Alec

 

Don't feel so bad about the ADR now:biggrin:Not having done my refresher in the last five years I'm heading for a Jack Danials sans ice or water. (Before the armed response unit comes through the back door for my flagrant disregard for something or other)

[Redgate]

Where will all this red tape end. These rules are getting ridiculous.

[Goaty]

Where will all this red tape end. These rules are getting ridiculous.

 

 

I found it refreshing in nz, they have barely opened the roll. Look at this photo. It's last December the doorway to a branch of a large chain of agri merchants

 

Yes those are 20-25ltr cropspray chemicals, just walk in with gumboots and shorts. Grab a barrel, slap it in the counter. Pay. Sling in back of ute. Drive off.

 

"She'll be right!"

 

Whereas here you feel guilty of heinous crime just asking.

[agg221]

To be fair, ADR is completely international - it's UN derived so pretty much every country has signed up to it. The main difference appears to be how they apply/enforce it.

 

I have learned some useful things though - there are six of us on the course, of whom three are in the small scale/occasional user category (as it happens, all three of us have been getting away with using someone else's grandfather rights until now) and the instructor has come up with some very cheap and simple solutions to things like storing and transporting agri-chemicals in compliance with most of the rules - the only bit which is tricky is ADR.

 

Alec