More Euro red tape

[renewablejohn]

Does anybody know how this red tape affects our industry

 

Timber regulation 2013- DG Environment - European Commission

[Stubby]

Read the first line and it mentions " the stop of illegally logged wood " . As long as you are legal is there a problem ?

[renewablejohn]

Read the first line and it mentions " the stop of illegally logged wood " . As long as you are legal is there a problem ?

 

 

Yes there is a problem if you have to comply. Every tree you fell must be traceable to end use. So how are you going to identify which tree that log came from.

[Stubby]

Yes there is a problem if you have to comply. Every tree you fell must be traceable to end use. So how are you going to identify which tree that log came from.

 

Who is going to prove otherwise and how ?

[WorcsWuss]

We're funding this crap...

 

Reading it through, ha! surprise surprise, there is no scenario for firewood! however, it would appear that a receipt with a small amount of information on is going to be sufficient documentation in the highly unlikely event that a domestic firewood re-seller ever gets into trouble.

It sounds like they are targeting more the exotic hardwood market and large scale processing.

On the basis that the firewood all us little guys use / trade in is home grown I don't see an issue.

If you are importing container loads from eastern europe, or further afield, then you will perhaps need to ask for better documentation from your supplier, then copy and pass this on when you sell it on.

No big deal, but an utter waste of time and money by eurocrats to come up with this bonkers system as usual.... surely the countries which benefit from the illegal timber trade will just find a way to fabricate the necessary paperwork to conceal illegal logging anyway.

[Stubby]

We're funding this crap...

 

Reading it through, ha! surprise surprise, there is no scenario for firewood! however, it would appear that a receipt with a small amount of information on is going to be sufficient documentation in the highly unlikely event that a domestic firewood re-seller ever gets into trouble.

It sounds like they are targeting more the exotic hardwood market and large scale processing.

On the basis that the firewood all us little guys use / trade in is home grown I don't see an issue.

If you are importing container loads from eastern europe, or further afield, then you will perhaps need to ask for better documentation from your supplier, then copy and pass this on when you sell it on.

No big deal, but an utter waste of time and money by eurocrats to come up with this bonkers system as usual.... surely the countries which benefit from the illegal timber trade will just find a way to fabricate the necessary paperwork to conceal illegal logging anyway.

 

What I thought .

[renewablejohn]

Problem I see is our product being exempt but the downside is logs now being officially classed as waste.

 

More info - Timber regulation 2013- DG Environment

 

Does that then lead on to needing waste transfer licence. ??

[Gnarlyoak]

We're funding this crap...

 

Reading it through, ha! surprise surprise, there is no scenario for firewood! however, it would appear that a receipt with a small amount of information on is going to be sufficient documentation in the highly unlikely event that a domestic firewood re-seller ever gets into trouble.

It sounds like they are targeting more the exotic hardwood market and large scale processing.

On the basis that the firewood all us little guys use / trade in is home grown I don't see an issue.

If you are importing container loads from eastern europe, or further afield, then you will perhaps need to ask for better documentation from your supplier, then copy and pass this on when you sell it on.

No big deal, but an utter waste of time and money by eurocrats to come up with this bonkers system as usual.... surely the countries which benefit from the illegal timber trade will just find a way to fabricate the necessary paperwork to conceal illegal logging anyway.

 

Which is precisely how a Dutch business man, bought horsemeat from a company in Romania and sold it as beef to a company in France, who processed it into food for the human foodchain at their factory in Belgium who shipped to the UK, Germany, Scandinavia ETC.

[Gnarlyoak]

Having read through the attached document, in the section "What Does The Law Say" here is the 1st item on the list of products covered by the act......

 

Regulation.

 

The legislation applies to a wide range of timber and timber products. It does not, however, cover all timber and timber products. A comprehensive list of products covered by the law can be found here.

Timber and timber products as classified in the Combined Nomenclature set out in Annex I to Council Regulation (EEC) No 2658/87 [1], to which this Regulation applies.

 

4401 Fuel wood, in logs, in billets, in twigs, in faggots or in similar forms; wood in chips or particles; sawdust and wood waste and scrap, whether or not agglomerated in logs, briquettes, pellets or similar forms

[WorcsWuss]

Which is precisely how a Dutch business man, bought horsemeat from a company in Romania and sold it as beef to a company in France, who processed it into food for the human foodchain at their factory in Belgium who shipped to the UK, Germany, Scandinavia ETC.

 

Shock horror.... Eurocrats AREN'T as clever as they convinced themselves they are....