Tipping trailer for log delivering

[BARNSLEY BOB]

So, carrying my own goods, in this case logs, for delivery to a customer.

 

At what stage do my goods become the customers goods?

At the point of sale or point of delivery?

 

whatever vehicle, red or white fuel, the purpose of the road jourmey is FOR HIRE OR REWARD. and thus none of the aforesaid exemptions apply.

[Windy Trick]

I don't think carrying your own goods, in this case logs to deliver to your own customer is for hire or reward. You are not a courier carrying someone else's logs and being paid by the seller of the logs to deliver them. I would say that in the above scenario the logs become the customers when the sale completes ie when you deliver them. Again this is pure opinion, but I feel that is the aim of the ruling. "You are NOT usually operating for Hire or Reward when you carry goods you own or goods

you have used or will use in the course of your business." In this case the logs are goods you are using in the course of your business (selling logs is your business right?).

 

There is this also: Under Schedule 3 (2) of the goods Vehicles (Licensing of Operators) Regulations 1995 "a

dual purpose vehicle and any trailer drawn by it" is identified as exempt from goods vehicle

operator licensing.

The dual purpose category generally includes cars, estates, pickups (with a second row of

seats (crew cab) only), and domestic 4x4 vehicles such as Land Rovers, Jeeps, and other

similar vehicles below 2040kgs unladen weight.

[Justme]

Does not matter as the delivery is part of the sale. You are delivering items you sold.

 

If that is your worry then just put it in your T&C's that until transfer of good to them the stock remains your property.

 

Its only when you deliver my items its a problem.

[Jim B]

It is.

 

Even if you are tacho exempt you still need to account & record ALL the working hours you do (even non driving ones) as you are still covered by the EU or UK working hours regs.

 

The record must be in the vehicle at all times. From memory the fine for non compliance is in the region of £5k.

 

But as long as I don't travel more than 50 km and do not drive over 3500 kg for more than four hours in a day I would not have to record the work?

[Justme]

But as long as I don't travel more than 50 km and do not drive over 3500 kg for more than four hours in a day I would not have to record the work?

 

Not my area of work so I dont know, sorry.

 

Under 3500kg is non tacho & non O licence. Working hours regs is something I have tried to keep out off. If you think needing a tacho or not is complex then working hours regs is even worse. Lots of if's, what if's & conditional on's.