Christians on arbtalk?

[butler]

It's only disobedience to God if you believe in Him, surely. If he does not exist to me, how can I disobey him?

 

Just because he does not exist to YOU does not mean he docent exist. Anyways I've become guilty of derailing the thread. So I think I'm all done here. Interesting conversation thou guys thanks for all input and every ones time.

 

Butler

[Andy Collins]

I think you side-stepped that point. If my mother told me not to do something, and I did it anyway, that is disobedience. How can something that isn't there tell me not to do something, it's not possible how ever it's dressed up.

[butler]

I think you side-stepped that point. If my mother told me not to do something, and I did it anyway, that is disobedience. How can something that isn't there tell me not to do something, it's not possible how ever it's dressed up.

 

Not really, I'm not hear to force you believe in God, I do believe in him if I get to the end of my life and find out it's not true I've lost nothing

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Not really, I'm not hear to force you believe in God, I do believe in him if I get to the end of my life and find out it's not true I've lost nothing

 

well I guess if you count losing your free will as "nothing" many men have gone to great lengths and even lost thier lives in order to secure thier freedoms, so freedom must be something of value, and to be "god fearing" is not freedom, is it?

[butler]

well I guess if you count losing your free will as "nothing" many men have gone to great lengths and even lost thier lives in order to secure thier freedoms, so freedom must be something of value, and to be "god fearing" is not freedom, is it?

 

God gave me my freewill and I'm exercising it by choosing to trust him

[butler]

well I guess if you count losing your free will as "nothing" many men have gone to great lengths and even lost thier lives in order to secure thier freedoms, so freedom must be something of value, and to be "god fearing" is not freedom, is it?

 

And idont fear God

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

And idont fear God

 

you must fear his wrath, or you wouldnt obide, ergo free will is void:001_rolleyes:

[butler]

you must fear his wrath, or you wouldnt obide, ergo free will is void:

 

I respect him for who he is but serve him in because he loves me, simples:biggrin:

[Rich Rule]

how do you know he loves you?

[butler]

how do you know he loves you?

 

What's the fundamental Christian belief?