Tree ID practice

[daltontrees]

I know you guys and gals like a challenge. Attached are 4 photos from the topside and underside of leaflets of 2 species of trees collected from a reliable garden a few months ago. A bit dried out now but the shapes are as they were. See if you can get both species, they are from the same Order but not the same family, but both are native to China. The shorter one is 3 inches, the longer 6 inches. Both have indications of their oriental origin in their names.

[RobArb]

And they are both leaflets you say, not leaves?

[daltontrees]

I have said all that needs to be said.

[jwade]

My last one btw was Castanea henryi, doubt anyone would have got that one :-P har har har

 

aaaaah we're entering the realm of dried up 'herbarium' type idents... should be fun..

 

I'll get the ball rolling with my first stab of Fraxinus chinensis

Edited January 30, 2013 by jwade

[jwade]

Oh yeah.. are we talking oriental names such as 'chinensis' 'sinensis' 'orientalis' etc.. or the less obvious ones like 'delavayi' 'henryi' etc.... Just thought i'd try and squeeze as many hints out of you as possible...

[daltontrees]

Who ever said it was the scientific names that contained oriental references? And if you need a hint, the oriental references are to places. May or may not include China, but they're both different references.

Sorry about teh Pot Purri ident test, it is a long cold dark winter and this is merely for amusement in the absence of any more reliable photos.

Unless you want to get into winter twig idents, I am out on survey 3 days a week and can bring back loads? I just won't be able to guarantee what they are.

[RobArb]

one of them, possibly top one is ( i think ) Phellodendron chinense (or amurense)

 

still looking for the other

[RobArb]

Is the other one Pistacia chinensis?

[daltontrees]

The rule is that they can't both have the same oriental reference in the name.

[daltontrees]

Meant to say, neither guess is right but you are close on one of them.