Ariel rescue advice.

[cerneARB]

Ive alocated a day a week to go climbing in the same place as my old college class. Im training for my ariel rescue. Im practicing in the area of my tutors but not by them. Im not on the college course. So i need to find out what the techniques are. We did one today rescue with two ropes and two friction knots.

 

can anyone direct me to any info on the rest of the techniques?website , books ecte.(got the nptc assment scedule).

 

After learning to climb and use a saw in a tree for a year i dont want to spend £500 on a 5 day course to learn what i already can do i.e climb trees and use a saw.Just that im not happy at spending money on something ive had training on and just lack a few things.

[ecolojim]

so you dont have your cs38, you therefore dont have your cs39, but youve been doing climbing jobs and you're insured? does that not hurt the wallet more than the price of a course or two?

 

Im not having a dig, I just thought nigh on all of the ins companies required at least 38 and 39 before they would insure you?

 

In a nutshell the techniques were:

 

recovering using 2 ropes: connect casualty's central D to yours with a biner or quickdraw, put positioning lanyard over their shoulder and behind them under their other arm to stop them falling backwards, and operate both friction hitches to bring both of you down to the ground. keeping your legs one above and one below theirs aids in control

 

on your rope only: as above but once they are secured to you, attach them via another biner and a prussik to the working end of your line (not the end with the friction cord on), disconnect them and lower both of you on just your system (your friction hitch takes the weight of both of you and can bind up hard or go very quick depending)

 

3 man recovery: one chap enters tree and reaches casualty, other sets a belay anchored to the bottom of the tree with timber hitch, alpine butterfly and prussik loop. man in the tree passes end of rescue rope over a strong anchor and attaches it to casualty and releases them from their system. man on ground lowers casualty, man in tree lowers himself and concentrates on supporting casualty.

 

pole rescue: essentially like the one rope rescue but you have to install a false anchor point first (I didnt do this on my assessment or course, no suitable trees)

 

remember, keep talking to the casualty all the time, and assessor dependant, if he has been suspended longer than 7 minutes, dont let their weight out of the harness until you've explained why.

[Lee Winger]

so you dont have your cs38, you therefore dont have your cs39, but youve been doing climbing jobs and you're insured? does that not hurt the wallet more than the price of a course or two?

 

Im not having a dig, I just thought nigh on all of the ins companies required at least 38 and 39 before they would insure you?

 

 

I've been banging on about this for years, HSE and your insurers do NOT insist on NPTC tickets!

[ecolojim]

ah right, sorry Lee Ive certainly not seen you write that before. Seems to be total madness to me. Whether or not you can do the job well, A level playing field of qualifications is surely the best thing all round when we all rely on each other for the state of our premiums.

 

anyway, not the topic at hand

[cerneARB]

many thanks Jim.

 

Dont mind you airing your veiw mate..

 

NPTC is good dont get me wrong. Just dont see why i need to fork out on expense when i know i can do something. i agree tickets are needed, but you need to get stuck in and learn on the job as well as train. if i was a guy with no common sense and lack of counceintious regards jobs and work then yes dont do it without tickets..but im not..im a perfectionist and am highly counceintious when it comes to doing tree work correctly. i think if your knowledgable and able and want to do a good job you can tickets or not. I still want to get all my tickets to gain public acceptance and quality.

 

thanks for the explantions Jim.

[ecolojim]

no problem mate. I realise my explanations were a bit rushed so if you want anything clarifying, i'd only be too happy

[cerneARB]

many many thanks Jim:001_smile:

[bob]

read the assessment criteria would be my first piece of advice

[Arbocop]

Hi cerne

 

well first a little dig, your comments are a sad testerment to what is happening in colleges, good instruction should get you confident, and competent before starting to weald chain saws arround.

 

it worries me that you have been doing that and not been throuhg a full training cource!

 

having said that dont forget that a nptc test covers legislation, loleretc, risk assmen, tree inspection and wood prooperties, wildlife, then climbing, access methods, and also two rescues.

 

get the test sheduel, get the guid to good climbing practise, and have a read up.

 

also if you are looking to brush up skills befor atest and you have completed your college study with certificates, you may be able to book on an update cource, with a minimum duration of 2 days, that get you access to an instructor who can help you polish your skillls and advise you if you are ready for a test.

 

if you think about it a cs38 test is c.125 quid, fail it one time thats another 125 quid which makes 250 quid moore than a 2 day update.

 

If you would like to pop up to the trees unlimited shop at needham and ask to talk to one of us in training well be happy to chat and help you, and if you are an otly studend you get an automatic discount.

 

pop in and say hi

 

cheers

 

arbocop

[cerneARB]

Hi cerne

 

well first a little dig, your comments are a sad testerment to what is happening in colleges, good instruction should get you confident, and competent before starting to weald chain saws arround.

 

it worries me that you have been doing that and not been throuhg a full training cource!

 

having said that dont forget that a nptc test covers legislation, loleretc, risk assmen, tree inspection and wood prooperties, wildlife, then climbing, access methods, and also two rescues.

 

get the test sheduel, get the guid to good climbing practise, and have a read up.

 

I have done two years at Otley,woodland managment for a year,i have looked at loler,wood properties ,tree inspection ecte..i auctall learnt over and above what was on the course schedule. Sorry but the words 'wealding' a chainsaw around is totally wrong wording , i dont weald it around i use it how i got shown by 3 very good instructors:thumbdown:

 

So what is a full course then, a year on BTEC which i have done with distinction!