SaS SRT

[Steve Bullman]

what does the pink hat do?

[Laz]

Las

the Cinch is behind the breakaway Petzel strop which only opens to 400 cm . He had two lines one holding one for lowering. Mines 100 meters .

 

400cm, but then the slip and stretch in the anchor

 

Two ropes to anchor is a bit OTT for me. I have to walk up steep banks long distance sometimes. So I only have to carry a 60m rope for 30m trees (tied into an endless loop), with a second rope for working (plus chainsaw and fuel etc).

 

I use a Frog Walker which should be easier (upper hand ascender and a supportive chest rig), just as quick, more ergonomic and a lot less fiddly it seems.

 

http://arbtalk.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2307

 

I've never seen a Pantin with a plastic thumb catch before ???

 

Cheers

Laz:001_smile:

[Rob Murf]

what does the pink hat do?

 

Its Orange actually and it....keeps my head warm !!

Its a safety beanie , it goes with my cut proof shorts and steel cap sandals

Really I was trying to show off TAZ

[Rob Murf]

400cm, but then the slip and stretch in the anchor

 

Two ropes to anchor is a bit OTT for me. I have to walk up steep banks long distance sometimes. So I only have to carry a 60m rope for 30m trees (tied into an endless loop), with a second rope for working (plus chainsaw and fuel etc).

 

I use a Frog Walker which should be easier (upper hand ascender and a supportive chest rig), just as quick, more ergonomic and a lot less fiddly it seems.

 

http://arbtalk.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2307

 

I've never seen a Pantin with a plastic thumb catch before ???

 

Cheers

Laz:001_smile:

 

Sorry Laz that should be 400mm not cm . Bit OTT kind of describes Scott ,he always is doing . jigging retrying, coming up with with new gear.

 

Seriously this is a fast system ie Scott has clocked 50 ft in 11 secs compared to 50ft in 18 sec for him footlocking (on a good day)and it makes the frog walker look slightly cumbersome.

The pantin is a mod by taking the cam from a petzel left hand ascender. This does not make it life support and dont tell petzel.

[skyhuck]

Seriously this is a fast system ie Scott has clocked 50 ft in 11 secs compared to 50ft in 18 sec for him footlocking (on a good day)

 

Yes that 7 seconds makes all the difference:001_tt1:

 

Can't beat getting home 5 minuets early at the end of the day

[Dean Lofthouse]

Can't beat getting home 5 minuets early at the end of the day

 

[Steve Bullman]

Seriously this is a fast system ie Scott has clocked 50 ft in 11 secs compared to 50ft in 18 sec for him footlocking (on a good day)

 

not trying to be picky as its largely irrelevant, and its great to constantly use different systems, but....

 

i bet it takes more than 7 seconds to set the srt system up compared to wrapping on a footlock strop!

 

 

id like to see a video of this in operation, i keep meaning to get myself an srt setup, im quite unfamiliar with it.

[Tom Dunlap]

Saving seconds here and there does pay off in the long run...otherwise we'd be back to using crosscut saws and not using Silky handsaws.

 

Time isn't the only savings. Years down the road when wear and tear from body abuse catches up climbers may look back and wish that they had taken better care of their one and only body. If any climber doesn't think this is true, ask me. In my mid-30s I spent a summer at the chiropractor getting my back squared away. At the same time I started on the path to taking better care of my body. Now, at 54 I don't regret spending any of the money or time learning more efficient systems.

 

The resistance to SRT increases as the climber gets older. Climbers under 30 are excited, interested and most often incorporate SRT as SOP in tree access. Some go the whole package and figure out how to work a tree using RADS or the Unicender. By 40 there is more skepticism. By 50 there is little interest and SRT is met with some pretty heavy dismissal.

[D Mc]

Tom, I agree with your observations and I do think ergonomic efficiency is the most important aspect of SRT.

 

When we first started foot locking it was nonsecured. We thought nothing of doing 40 and 50 ft "locks" unsecured and would just split the ropes, putting them behind our shoulders and rest on the rope. I have seen a lot of change. And like most old farts, I don't like change.

 

However, I do like improved climbing techniques. I will excuse a young climber/newbie their inefficient movements because it all takes time to learn. But when someone has been handling ropes and been in the trees for 20 to 30 years, you shouldn't have to beat them over the head with a good idea. For them it should be obvious.

 

The argument I run into the most is the "if it's not broken, don't fix it", but the ease of access using SRT should at least be experienced before being dismissed.

 

Dave

[skyhuck]

Tom, I agree with your observations and I do think ergonomic efficiency is the most important aspect of SRT.

 

When we first started foot locking it was nonsecured. We thought nothing of doing 40 and 50 ft "locks" unsecured and would just split the ropes, putting them behind our shoulders and rest on the rope. I have seen a lot of change. And like most old farts, I don't like change.

 

However, I do like improved climbing techniques. I will excuse a young climber/newbie their inefficient movements because it all takes time to learn. But when someone has been handling ropes and been in the trees for 20 to 30 years, you shouldn't have to beat them over the head with a good idea. For them it should be obvious.

 

The argument I run into the most is the "if it's not broken, don't fix it", but the ease of access using SRT should at least be experienced before being dismissed.

 

Dave