V.T.A symptoms "the chatty trees"

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

I am going to stick my neck out and say that we are talking about the fact that tree decay fungi are part of the natural life cycle of trees, that in some circumstances they confer added value and majesty to some trees, that their presence deserves deeper understanding and consideration and that their effect on tree physiology, symptom development and adaptive growth may be beyond what is considered to be accepted teaching.

 

 

and re evaluate CODIT, spin the demons of D, re investigate Thermo and prove its immense potential contribution.

 

Turn an industry wide standpoint of reductions as wounding and tree abuse into a respected, viable and VALUED aspect of tree retention/managment.

 

Bring together all the current research on decay and strategies of fungi into an easily readable and useable format. (how many arbs own books like that?)

 

and establish a basic tool kit for working arbs that will enable assessment of tree health, soil quality (potential to survive is in the soil)

 

Describe the proscess of reduction evaluation and methods in greatest detail (looking for an artist)

 

Most importantly make sure it is all acurate as possible, scientificaly so too so that it can be used to educate the educators who to this day are teaching their students that inonotus dryadeus and hispidus are blanket fells, no arguments, (recent example)

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

That is a cool buckle. I am not sure if it is, perhaps it is a recent buckle with bulge wood forming. That line is weird, almost looks like a graft line. Cool though.

Could it be a canker?

 

it looks like ii is going necrotic in places:thumbup1:

[treeseer]

On the buckle, it sure does not look like girdling.

 

 

Great list, Tony--Ambitious and Admirable! 6 lifetime's worth.

 

"and re evaluate CODIT, spin the demons of D, re investigate Thermo and prove its immense potential contribution.

+1

 

"Turn an industry wide standpoint of reductions as wounding and tree abuse into a respected, viable and VALUED aspect of tree retention/management.

 

Pruning is always going to be wounding, but agreed--it could use more respect!

 

"Bring together all the current research on decay and strategies of fungi into an easily readable and useable format. (how many arbs own books like that?)

 

None, and none may ever! Luley's manual is a good start in this direction.

 

"and establish a basic tool kit for working arbs that will enable assessment of tree health, soil quality (potential to survive is in the soil)

 

Top ten tools for assessment!

 

"Describe the proscess of reduction evaluation and methods in greatest detail (looking for an artist)

 

Check Gilman's site for some of this; a good start. As is Fay's graphic of gradual veteranization via retrenchment. Images of reduction's effects over time are seldom telling (looking for a photographer, and the right trees)

 

"Most importantly make sure it is all acurate as possible, scientificaly so too so that it can be used to educate the educators who to this day are teaching their students that inonotus dryadeus and hispidus are blanket fells, no arguments, (recent example):thumb down:

 

Good luck with that one--I thought/dreamed I did it 10 years ago with reviewing Schwarze's first book, and work since, but fear never dies, as rust never sleeps. But there is progress for you to build on, and that is good.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

well thats a good reply Guy, but back to topic now!

 

this off topic chat has run its course, for now.

[treeseer]

a lovely oak in a recent woodland we've been working in with a cool buckle?

Just wondering how this would be diagnosed in the UK (if the owner or arborist wanted this done).

 

Here the first step might be to pull away dead material, look, smell, touch, and non invasively probe.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Just wondering how this would be diagnosed in the UK (if the owner or arborist wanted this done).

 

Here the first step might be to pull away dead material, look, smell, touch, and non invasively probe.

 

sounds about right, a simple electricians metal detector £30.00 would reveal if it is a girdling wire with ease.

 

if its a buckle only, is it tubular? or just slenderness ratio.

[RobArb]

don't know how it would be girdling, it literally is in the middle of nowhere and only goes 180degrees round the tree not 360?

 

can't tell from that pic but the lean of the tree starts at that buckle, as if that side has given way a couple of inches

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

don't know how it would be girdling, it literally is in the middle of nowhere and only goes 180degrees round the tree not 360?

 

can't tell from that pic but the lean of the tree starts at that buckle, as if that side has given way a couple of inches

 

like I said, decay or slenderness, and going on the necrotic regions I might suggest fistulina!

[Matthew Arnold]

Found a monster Larch with an equally good lean and the beginnings of a shear bomb/tension crack on the tension side of the root plate. It was clicking and cracking when we had the Jan winds.

[Matthew Arnold]

Was shooting next to this big Beech which when i started beating on the shoot was upright. I found out today why it is on the move. Badgers are digging the soil out from the tension side and it has Honey fungus and kretz on the compression side. I recon it may be over by the start of next season as it still has a very full crown all going one way.