Working horses thread

[cousin jack]

link for radio programme on horse logging, I get a walk on part somewhere in the middle, actually I take the young lady for a spin in my horse,

BBC - BBC Radio 4 Programmes - On Your Farm

[cousin jack]

Just some pics of a recent job with The BHL, this was working on a Ramsar Site, Marton Pool in Shropshire. Ramsar sites are wetlands of international importance, designated under The Ramsar Convention. The Ramsar Convention is an international aggreement signed in Ramsar, Iran, in 1971, which provides for the conservation and good use of wetland. The main aim of the job was to pull out carr alder and willow from the waters edge which is encroaching and shading out the reedbeds that are one of the important features of this site. The trees were not big, weight wise but had a lot of top and were rooted into the bed of the pool, add to that the peat bog and "quaking" ground and it was quite a challenge. Pics were taken with phone, so a couple not the best.

[TRADITIONAL LOGGERS]

Some interesting pictures and info. I could never understand using a horse with a large crane unit and loud petrol engine. Defeats the original purpose of horsepowered extraction.

[dave fox]

very interesting , have you ever had to not use a chainsaw in some delecate enviromental situations? would you do it without chainsaws

[twmarriott]

no, i only know this as a steam engine owner, 2 and have one that could be pulled by horses (Circa 1864) portable, there are several versions of horse power, the 1st was used to compare output of steam engines with horses used in haulage and winding in mines Watt determined that a pony could lift an average 220 lbf (0.98 kN) 100 ft (30 m) per minute over a four-hour working shift. Watt determined that a horse could turn a mill wheel 144 times in an hour (or 2.4 times a minute). The wheel was 12 feet in radius; therefore, the horse travelled 2.4 × 2π × 12 feet in one minute. Watt judged that the horse could pull with a force of 180 pounds. So:force x distance / time worked out at 32572 ft.lbf / min which was rounded up to 33,000 ft·lbf/min figure so hp was a force a pony was assumed at %50 of this. steam engines are measured generally in Nominal horse power, nhp is an early Nineteenth Century rule of thumb nhp = 7 x area of piston x equivalent piston speed/33,000

 

we have a 6hp wallis and a 6 hp portable, both are approx 40-50 brake hp but fenominal torque.

 

Marc, I have heard of him, but not met him, but would very much like to, as I know he is highly thought of by my mentor, Simon Lenihan.

Now, I am told that horsepower was not a way of describing output by the strength of the horses but as follows; when steam engines were first introduced to farming operations for threshing etc, they were usually pulled from farm to farm by horses. The bigger the engine the more horses it took to pull it, so a farmer who wanted a engine to do his threshing could ascertain the size and output of the engine by how many horses he had to send to collect it from the farm where it was currently in use, 4,6,8 horsepower. So by that reckoning my horse is 1 HP

[Lee Winger]

Not a logging horse but a working horse and video I'm sure you horse men and women will appreciate [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UyRhj0FGPg]YouTube - ‪horse and cart in scrap yard‬‏[/ame]

[cousin jack]

Some interesting pictures and info. I could never understand using a horse with a large crane unit and loud petrol engine. Defeats the original purpose of horsepowered extraction.

 

It's a means to an end, working on tonnage rates it increases production so you can be more competitive, profitable, and tender for contracts that would be out of reach due to long extraction routes etc.

[cousin jack]

Its also pretty good at stacking

 

 

[cousin jack]

Not a logging horse but a working horse and video I'm sure you horse men and women will appreciate

 

Lee, good one, very few people realise that horses have had such an impact on our history, from travelling across continents to supplying armies and before the advent of steam, moving just about every item under the sun.

[cousin jack]

Pictures of horse drawn boat on The Rochdale Canal, last summer, this canal went over The Pennines and connected the mills with the ports. On this day we went from Summit To Todmorden. A good boathorse could move up to fifty tons. The last pic is The Great Wall of Tod, testamount to the navies that built it, as straight as a die and not a brick out of place, also note the iron railway bridge with castellated turrets, they don't build 'em like that nowadays.

Edited February 15, 2011 by cousin jack
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