Cat amongst the Pidgeons Time

[RPA]

Shigo was referring to true pollarding in order to maintain the offensive knuckle shape, basically he was just trying to appease his european fanbase. As someone who spent more than half a century studying trees, I suspect the whole idea of pollarding did not sit well with him.

 

Obvious to those who have read more than half a dozen pages of his books.

 

My point is that it is being maintained. I imagine its demise will follow that of its owner, therefore keep it as he is doing or let it re-grow from those branch unions?

[skyhuck]

OK. I have a problem with this concept, (not picking on you directly huck).

You don't have a right to do what you want with your property.

 

• Think of cars - you can't (legally) drive on the pavement.
   
  
• Think of houses - you can't build a block of flats in your yard (without permission)
   
  
• Think of pets - you can't (legally) kick you dog in the face because it ate your invoice.
  

 

You don't have the right to do what you want to your tree IMO.

 

OK,

1.The car is yours,not the pavement or the road,you can drive as you wish on your own land.

2. You can demolish your own house if you wish,you cannot "extend a tree".

3.A Pet is a conscious creature which feels pain,you could if you so wished have you dog put down and then BBQ it for your tea. :wave:

[Amelanchier]

OK,

1.The car is yours,not the pavement or the road,you can drive as you wish on your own land.

2. You can demolish your own house if you wish,you cannot "extend a tree".

3.A Pet is a conscious creature which feels pain,you could if you so wished have you dog put down and then BBQ it for your tea. :wave:

 

1. You can't. King of chavs, Michael Carrol, lottery winning thug had impromtu stock car racing on his property. He had an injunction made against him preventing him from driving his cars on his property in the way that he wanted.

2. You can't if you live in a listed building, conservation area or a terrace!

3. Nice BBQ. You still can't kick your dog in the face RSPCA will have you prosecuted.

 

Point is - You cannot do what you want with your property.

You can do a hell of a lot of things with you property, but not everything and anything.

[skyhuck]

1. You can't. King of chavs, Michael Carrol, lottery winning thug had impromtu stock car racing on his property. He had an injunction made against him preventing him from driving his cars on his property in the way that he wanted.

2. You can't if you live in a listed building, conservation area or a terrace!

3. Nice BBQ. You still can't kick your dog in the face RSPCA will have you prosecuted.

 

Point is - You cannot do what you want with your property.

You can do a hell of a lot of things with you property, but not everything and anything.

Mr Carrol was stopped because he was disturbing his neighbours which is taking something from them he has no right to take,there peace.

 

Listed buildings, etc are same as TPO.

 

If you cause the dog pain thats not permitted, you can kill the dog. Does a tree feel pain?

[Bundle 2]

You are right Tony...and with good reason you cannot do as you please in society in general but specifically when it is considered anti social by the rest of us. That said....I think you are in trouble as an LPA repesentative if you then try and justify sticking your oar in to determine the future of a specimen that was inadequately protected in the planning stages...( ie by the LPA ) ..Assuming you accept that the tree would have faired better if managed in a progressive and continual ( even dare I say it a formative sense ) then you need to concede that it is just a another example of BS , whether it be 3998 or not....that said tree was inadequately seen after. Period. The owner of this beautiful specimen may have been let down once already by the professsional arborist which is my contention. Its a bit rich to start playing the " Yours, mine, alls fair in love and war " card now. As arborists, the issue now must be how to manage the thing from here on out...?

[Bundle 2]

Hang on. Who's saying the tree was too close to the house?

 

The ******* man who lives beneath it iut mate....

[Amelanchier]

Mr Carrol was stopped because he was disturbing his neighbours which is taking something from them he has no right to take,there peace.

 

Listed buildings, ect are same as TPO.

 

If you cause the dog pain thats not aloud, you can kill the dog. Does a tree feel pain?

 

All true but examples of where you cannot do what you want with your property.

 

This is my central point and I ain't getting sidetracked.

 

So. I take it we agree that the boundary of your rights is where they conflict with mine.

 

Now (not referring to any specific trees) how about the right to amenity?

[Amelanchier]

The ******* man who lives beneath it iut mate....

 

So what?

 

Just because he thinks its too big does that mean it is? That doesn't follow.

[Dean Lofthouse]

I'd be asking myself was the tree planted too close to the house or was the house planted too close to the tree.

[skyhuck]

All true but examples of where you cannot do what you want with your property.

 

This is my central point and I ain't getting sidetracked.

 

So. I take it we agree that the boundary of your rights is where they conflict with mine.

 

Now (not referring to any specific trees) how about the right to amenity?

 

I agree to the right to amenity to a point,but it is some what unfair to make someone keep and maintain something they don't want for the benefit of others really if something is being "preserved" for all there should be some form of compensations or reward for the owner,IMO, with art works the museum must pay the owner for it,it not free.

 

I suppose I just ain't no communist.