Fair or unfair?

[Mesterh]

13 minutes ago, Stubby said:

Or ... Chipped up a plastic snow shovel 😀

Or a 35m rope. 😮

[Tree monkey 1682]

1 hour ago, Mesterh said:

People make mistakes though. It's the reason that we have chain brakes and chainsaw trousers and boots. 

You make a mistake with a chipper and you've lost a limb at best. 

 

It was a stupid contractor (a bloke with long hair not scraped up)  that caused the first change .I'm not complacent with chippers or chainsaws but I respect them and take precautions.the company that had the accident were known to cut corners ..enough said 

[Mesterh]

So are you saying that some bloke working for a dodgy company got scapled and that was the reason that chipper manufacturers had to fit stop switches?

 

[Steven P]

1 hour ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

It was a stupid contractor (a bloke with long hair not scraped up)  that caused the first change .I'm not complacent with chippers or chainsaws but I respect them and take precautions.the company that had the accident were known to cut corners ..enough said 

 

Imagine this scenario...

Dodgy company hires an apprentice - lets say an older one, 21 so no issued with needing closer supervision that a 16 year old might, new to the industry, is trained in the dodgy practices. Lets say for argument that the apprentice is cheaper than an experienced operator - dodgy company. Apprentice knows nothing, knows not what precautions to take, and no one could expect them to know... so Emergency stops are fitted to machines.

[Tree monkey 1682]

2 hours ago, Mesterh said:

So are you saying that some bloke working for a dodgy company got scapled and that was the reason that chipper manufacturers had to fit stop switches?

 

I was saying it was when machines went from having the standard A bar over the infeed chute , to then having chutes a certain distance /height away from rollers , then the bottom stop bar that was over sensitive ..then the paddle switches and emergency stop buttons . I mean how many safety devices does one need for one fecking machine. 

You can never risk asses idiots 

[Tree monkey 1682]

1 hour ago, Steven P said:

 

Imagine this scenario...

Dodgy company hires an apprentice - lets say an older one, 21 so no issued with needing closer supervision that a 16 year old might, new to the industry, is trained in the dodgy practices. Lets say for argument that the apprentice is cheaper than an experienced operator - dodgy company. Apprentice knows nothing, knows not what precautions to take, and no one could expect them to know... so Emergency stops are fitted to machines.

Was a qualified member of staff, I know the company but will not say it on here.

But the is only so much u can do then the is just stupidity and bang more legeslation and hse, we never take into account home owners, builders, farmers that have accidents, it all gets lumped together..

 

[Mesterh]

22 minutes ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

I was saying it was when machines went from having the standard A bar over the infeed chute , to then having chutes a certain distance /height away from rollers , then the bottom stop bar that was over sensitive ..then the paddle switches and emergency stop buttons . I mean how many safety devices does one need for one fecking machine. 

You can never risk asses idiots 

OK, it seemed like that you were attributing one accident to the change in safety systems. I agree that sometimes safety goes over the top when it hinders production for basically zero benefits. Ive seen a fair few near misses and its been experienced guys just having a bad day. If a safety device allows them to go home in tact then tbh I find it hard to argue against having it in place. Anyway,  circling back I dont think a stop button is a stupid idea im fairly sure every piece of industrial machinery that can cause major injury has a stop switch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Steven P]

However for my scenario, they make sense. Yes, got to have some accountability but also go to to step back and wonder is there is something reasonably practical that can be done to avoid an accident, or to limit its effects if it does happen (seatbelts are a good example of limiting the effects of an accident).

 

Off the back of every piece of legislation there is generally a fatality or a lot of accidents

[Peter 1955]

" When you make something idiot proof, they build a better class of idiot "