Toyota vs isuzu

[Karldg]

Hi can any with past or current use of these tell me what is best from the new trucks, payload mainly but towing also?!

thanks

[maybelateron]

Payload has little in it I think. I would not want to use the 1.9 Izuzu for 3.5 ton towing - the Americans are right when they say there is no substitute for cubic inches. I have recently changed from Disco 2 to Hilux with the 2.8 engine. Friend with a 2.4 Hilux said it was good and stable for towing with respect to stability, but lacked power.

 

I have only put 350 miles on my Hilux so far, but within 2 weeks I will have started regular runs with 3.5T on the drawbar. Toyota suggest get 500 miles on clock from new before heavy towing.

[Rich Rule]

“No replacement for displacement “

[lux]

I wouldn't want the 1.9 for towing either. I think the 2.5 d-max would be a safer bet if you go down the Isuzu route. I think that would mean a second hand one as I'm not sure they have made the 2.5 for a while but I could be wrong there. 

Can't go wrong with a hilux, chassis rust on newer ones is what to look out for. 

Gearing and a heavy duty clutch are the key for towing. My hilux is tuned to over 200bhp with a lift in torque as well, however this tune was a general one and would be better being retuned to optimise the torque curve for towing getting it lower in the rev range. 

I would say my 2.4 transit at 115bhp is better for towing off the mark than my 3.0 litre hilux with almost double the power on paper. 

torque curve and gearing are better for getting going. 

eventually I will get around to remapping the hilux again 

The 3.0 engine is very good and been around for ages. it will never be stressed the way a 1.9 Isuzu is if longevity is on your list...

[maybelateron]

2 minutes ago, lux said:

Can't go wrong with a hilux, chassis rust on newer ones is what to look out for.

Yep, that's why mine is going to a specialist for thorough waxing before it gets any real miles on the clock. I have had autos in my Disco 2's and the Hilux is auto. Much nice to tow with than manual in my view.

 

I am guessing your Transit has a very low first gear. My new shape Iveco Daily is 146 BHP, great once it is on the move, but not at all good for a standing start on a hill with a full chip box and the chipper behind. First gear is too high.

[lux]

1 minute ago, maybelateron said:

Yep, that's why mine is going to a specialist for thorough waxing before it gets any real miles on the clock. I have had autos in my Disco 2's and the Hilux is auto. Much nice to tow with than manual in my view.

 

I am guessing your Transit has a very low first gear. My new shape Iveco Daily is 146 BHP, great once it is on the move, but not at all good for a standing start on a hill with a full chip box and the chipper behind. First gear is too high.

1st and 2nd on my 2010 transit are excellent. The duratorque lives up to its durable name

 

I had my hilux done with buzzweld inside and outside on the chassis, cavities all injected etc. expensive and took a week due to the curing process between the different coats but should ensure she stays in good shape. 

 

I do find the 3.0 hilux too tall in 1st high range for towing. You can mess around with the 4 low to do 2 low as well and add a switch to the dash for it, its been on the hilux forums numerous times but I've never got around to it. Very handy for shunting trailers on hard surfaces.