Looks like no more Makita Petrol Saws

[Paddy1000111]

One thing I've noticed is that they have battery powered all sorts of tools but none of the trades that they apply to rely on that tool alone. No one says they are a hand driller as a career or a 9" angle grinder pilot... If you're an arborist you rely on one tool to make you money and you use it nearly all day every day. They haven't covered that with battery stuff. Long term lubrication, quick refilling, easy repairs.... Everyone got very upset about a chainsaw having a digital carb but no-one batts an eyelid when they say that the whole chainsaw is digital and without oscilloscopes, dmms and a very good background in electrics then they are at the hands of a dealer... 

 

One thing that is missing out of this is the power generation. We don't have much green energy and you're just burning coal to fuel a saw with additional steps? ? 

[Echo]

24 minutes ago, Paddy1000111 said:

One thing I've noticed is that they have battery powered all sorts of tools but none of the trades that they apply to rely on that tool alone. No one says they are a hand driller as a career or a 9" angle grinder pilot... If you're an arborist you rely on one tool to make you money and you use it nearly all day every day. They haven't covered that with battery stuff. Long term lubrication, quick refilling, easy repairs.... Everyone got very upset about a chainsaw having a digital carb but no-one batts an eyelid when they say that the whole chainsaw is digital and without oscilloscopes, dmms and a very good background in electrics then they are at the hands of a dealer... 

 

One thing that is missing out of this is the power generation. We don't have much green energy and you're just burning coal to fuel a saw with additional steps? ? 

Electrical components have been around a long time, they are tested and

known to work well, I would have no issues with a digital motor in a chainsaw,

or a digital controller to run it, there are electrical forums just like there are chainsaw forums, , electrical engineering will be a very big thing in the future as it seems we are going in that direction for our needs, so I would think it would not be a big issue to get an electric chainsaw repaired.

They will likely be quite modular, this will make such items easier and more affordable to repair.

Arbourists are really biting into the battery powered chainsaw, probably one

of the trades that are bennefiting most from that technology.

Am also sure there are plenty of peope drilling or punching holes all day and

are happy to have a job doing so, and plenty using 9" grinders all day too, what

would you suggest they do.

Renewable energy solutions are being built every day.

Edited November 3, 2020 by Echo

[DCS6800i]

All this is doing is shifting the dust around the floor...

 

There is nothing 'green' about battery chainsaws - or cars or anything else... instead of burning the fuel only as you need it, you have to burn sh*t loads of fossil fuels to generate a constant supply of electricity (the grid) just so it's always there for you to charge the battery when you click the switch..

 

It is a total con, but sadly one we are all being pushed towards

[Paddy1000111]

Oh yea, don't get me wrong. My origional qualification was as an aircraft engineer and I built RC helicopters and drones as a hobby. I just know that when you're talking about potentiometers, esc's, battery cells, motor windings and a tonne of sensors things can not just be hard to find but get expensive fast. We've quickly gone from a rough running chainsaw being spark, fuel, air, compression related to being dodgy cells, dodgy connections, faulty potentiometers, failed esc's, bad motor windings, all sorts. I have an electrical workshop and its not new to me, I just feel that it's a whole new skillset to most Arborists and what would have been a quick spark plug change becomes a disassembly and fault finding on these news saws. That's made even harder by the electric saws not being so modular. Get a guy who can rebuild an ms200t and then ask him to rebuild a Dyson hoover, it's not the same. 

 

I'm not saying that people don't make money drilling holes or grinding. I just mean you don't see a company that offers only drilling with a hand drill... Or a contractor and all they do is grind with a 9" grinder. 

[Rough Hewn]

All this is doing is shifting the dust around the floor...
 
There is nothing 'green' about battery chainsaws - or cars or anything else... instead of burning the fuel only as you need it, you have to burn sh*t loads of fossil fuels to generate a constant supply of electricity (the grid) just so it's always there for you to charge the battery when you click the switch..
 
It is a total con, but sadly one we are all being pushed towards

As a well known woodsman from Sussex told me years ago.
“I run my chainsaws off sunshine.
Don’t give my money to oil industries”.
And he was right.
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[Echo]

22 minutes ago, DCS6800i said:

All this is doing is shifting the dust around the floor...

 

There is nothing 'green' about battery chainsaws - or cars or anything else... instead of burning the fuel only as you need it, you have to burn sh*t loads of fossil fuels to generate a constant supply of electricity (the grid) just so it's always there for you to charge the battery when you click the switch..

 

It is a total con, but sadly one we are all being pushed towards

I have concerns about it all too, there is a huge push on building new windfarms, mostly off shore now, and to me they are a great advancement and will save to no end on fossil fuels.

My issue is with the manufacturing of these so called green cars and such,

they take a lot of resources to create, the materials used in the batteries and motors are costly to mine and produce, and if we were all to somehow get ourselves an electric vehicle, the smart asses behind it all already know there is not enough copper and other materials they need to replace the current volume of vehicles we use, let along keep up with any further demand.

I think too that it is crazy to have a society totally dependant to electricity, the national grid for one will melt down, convert your weekly kw number for running your car into electric and hang that off your wall socket and see what happens, let alone the whole country doing so.

I think we are in for a big let down when things go wrong and the backups are all crushed and sent for recycling.

Edited November 3, 2020 by Echo

[Paddy1000111]

I've read a lot recently about that. The current national grid not being able to support the amount of current draw from everyone charging their Tesla's if everyone had an electric car. Let alone me plugging in 6 Makita batteries, 4 stihl chargers, my phone etc etc....

Edited November 3, 2020 by Paddy1000111

[Echo]

13 minutes ago, Paddy1000111 said:

Oh yea, don't get me wrong. My origional qualification was as an aircraft engineer and I built RC helicopters and drones as a hobby. I just know that when you're talking about potentiometers, esc's, battery cells, motor windings and a tonne of sensors things can not just be hard to find but get expensive fast. We've quickly gone from a rough running chainsaw being spark, fuel, air, compression related to being dodgy cells, dodgy connections, faulty potentiometers, failed esc's, bad motor windings, all sorts. I have an electrical workshop and its not new to me, I just feel that it's a whole new skillset to most Arborists and what would have been a quick spark plug change becomes a disassembly and fault finding on these news saws. That's made even harder by the electric saws not being so modular. Get a guy who can rebuild an ms200t and then ask him to rebuild a Dyson hoover, it's not the same. 

 

I'm not saying that people don't make money drilling holes or grinding. I just mean you don't see a company that offers only drilling with a hand drill... Or a contractor and all they do is grind with a 9" grinder. 

My experience is only with generators, they are very reliable, very little electronics

other than a control board, mixing desks full of electronics, rarely ever fail, plenty of

connections to get loose too, I think electronics are pretty much very reliable and robust.

There is no highly technical requirements for a chainsaw motor, or the neccessary components to make it work, such components are not expensive at all.

We are not talking about a jumbo here.

Edited November 3, 2020 by Echo

[Echo]

2 minutes ago, Paddy1000111 said:

I've read a lot recently about that. The current national grid not being able to support the amount of current draw from everyone charging their Tesla's if everyone had an electric car. Let alone me plugging in 6 Makita batteries, 4 stihl chargers, my phone etc etc....

I dont know what kwh my car uses in a week, but I would hate to try and take that

power from the wall socket, and probably hate the bill for doing so even more.

[Paddy1000111]

1 minute ago, Echo said:

My experience is only with generators, they are very reliable, very little electronics

other than a control board, mixing desks full of electronics, rarely ever fail, plenty of

connections to get loose too, I think electronics are pretty much very reliable and robust.

There is no highly technical requirements for a chainsaw motor, or the neccessary components

to make it work, such components are not expensive at all.

I agree completely, I just mean that when you take esc's, components etc and put them in small package like a chainsaw then heat and vibration is an issue. I've seen a lot of burnt out esc's or ones that have an error as they're a computer. They also suffer from heat dissipation. To combat the vibration you end up hot snotting wiring and stuff so it's not easily replaceable. I've also seen a lot of compact high power motors toast bearings as there's no oiling system. 

 

I want to see electric chainsaws. For a climbing saw it's a definite advantage. I just feel the tech has a long way to go yet. Making things modular so you can swap out a motor easily, improving on the build quality and getting rid of the plastics so they are as hardy as the current pro saws. 

 

It will be interesting to see the long term on hard use Stihl electric saws. I just don't think there's enough out there yet to create a educated opinion. There's not a lot in the hands of Arborists in comparison to other saws. People still haven't formed an opinion on the 500i long term. We're still in gen 1...