something for the sharper arbor!

[Amelanchier]

You need to think from another perspective, not an insult, the whole point of inclusionality! you are thinking like a trained thinker....

 

The transfer from dead to living is the transfer of dead woody material, by fungi, into life buy transference of the energy in dead woody material by fungi into usuable food or mineral/macro/micronutrient to the living, and from the living.

 

the "comunication is via the neural netwroks of fungi, the comunication interface between life and death, from the dead it gives energy to the living

 

now ive lost my point!

 

No insult taken . I'll pass on changing my perspective at the moment. I find these things twist and turn with time and besides, if it ain't broke...

 

I don't have a problem with being made up of molecules from dead stuff and understandably grasp the fundamentals of the role of saprobes in the nutrient cycle but the quote says "...from living to dead".

 

Simply put, my point is that Rayner is wrong to suggest that energy is transferred from living to dead by fungal interfaces. Dead to living, certainly, but the cycle is non reversible.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Ham I'm really on your side here and not after one of our old battles but what does this mean?

 

Quote A.R Inclusional Science - From Artefact To Natural Creativity

 

This success (Edit By me :refering to conventional science) has largely been based on an absolutely definitive logic that abstracts material ‘content’ from spatial ‘context’. Such abstraction greatly diminishes the dimensionality of natural, non-Euclidean, dynamic geometry by fixing reality within rectilinear structural limits of length, breadth and depth. It may therefore come at the expense of deeper understanding of natural dynamic processes, which is needed to address currently emerging environmental, social and psychological concerns bearing upon human well being.

 

I dont want to stop you finding out for yourself, in your own way, and i am pleased you find it worthy of time, as it truly does deserve your time.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

No insult taken . I'll pass on changing my perspective at the moment. I find these things twist and turn with time and besides, if it ain't broke...

 

I don't have a problem with being made up of molecules from dead stuff and understandably grasp the fundamentals of the role of saprobes in the nutrient cycle but the quote says "...from living to dead".

 

Simply put, my point is that Rayner is wrong to suggest that energy is transferred from living to dead by fungal interfaces. Dead to living, certainly, but the cycle is non reversible.

 

right im going to look at the grammar again cos it made perfect sense to me for all this time, maybe im dumb and have missed the nuences?

[sean]

Shall I not have intelligence with the earth?

Am I not partly leaves and vegetable mould myself.

- Henry David Thoreau.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

“the mycelial networks of fungi…which provide a communications interface for energy transfer from neighbour to neighbour, from living to dead, and from dead to living.” (Alan Rayner)

 

from living to dead, (comma) and from dead to living.

 

from life comes death, in come the fungi to transfer

 

from dead material to life again, simples

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Shall I not have intelligence with the earth?

Am I not partly leaves and vegetable mould myself.

- Henry David Thoreau.

 

I saw this in your signature line and put it to the "inclusional group as i thought it was a great quote, yesterday!

[Albedo]

It could mean

 

from living you die, then that energy goes from dead to living.

 

Frankly , not a biggy, I'd let it go, we've all got other things to worry about. Or shoot it down with more evidence than that.

Edited April 12, 2010 by Albedo
posted all at same time

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Preview

 

For thousands of years humanity has held itself under the spell of a frozen field in which life is a battle between subjects and objects acting upon and reacting to one another in a desperate struggle to preserve their self-centres against infinite odds. Alan Rayner’s book seeks to liberate us from this thraldom by melting the ice of an intransigent way of thinking that gets in the way of our creativity, mutual understanding and trust and appreciation of one another and Nature. At the heart of the book is a deep appreciation of the continuous presence of infinite creative space everywhere that enables energy to flow into and out from an endless variety of dynamic forms, including human beings. Paradoxically treated by abstract logic as empty ‘void’, this receptive presence is actually a source of love and warmth that pools all together, not evil ‘darkness’ that isolates them. By vainly trying to exclude it from what we see and feel as ‘light’ and ‘matter’, we unwittingly set the scene for coldness and hateful confrontation. This book restores it to where it belongs, in the midst of our ‘selves as neighbourhood’, in natural soulful communion.

[Amelanchier]

On a wider point, and without causing too many waves, I find much of this style of academia supplementary. Now that may be my WASP heritage or my dogmatic hegemonic scientific education but hey. It just seems to me Hama, that a lot of these theories rely on groundwork done by McScience. (I'm speaking generally rather that directly at Rayner).

 

These modes of investigation need the very framework that they despise.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

On a wider point, and without causing too many waves, I find much of this style of academia supplementary. Now that may be my WASP heritage or my dogmatic hegemonic scientific education but hey. It just seems to me Hama, that a lot of these theories rely on groundwork done by McScience. (I'm speaking generally rather that directly at Rayner).

 

These modes of investigation need the very framework that they despise.

 

No Tony they do not, what they NEED that framework for is to prevent folk like you science dudes making a mockery of it because it has no basis in your BOXED IN perspectives, Alan is of the highest academic stature, and knows all too well the place of the old in giving birth to the new.