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  • Article: Pollards, the forgotten art-discussion

    Po!la*d-a four letter word?

     

    One could be forgiven for thinking it is! I am almost afraid to mention the word in today’s arboricultural scene, but am I the only one who thinks it a little ironic that we now revere the very trees that where pruned in such a way we might now lynch those doing it? Is pollarding really to be considered the ultimate sin? Or is there just a lack of insight into the merits and de merits of each case, and a fear of retribution for going out on a limb and making the choice. At this time it’s a brave man that suggests “sensitive pruning” isn’t always the right approach. As a climber of 20 odd years I have done my fair share of old and veteran trees, and had to pollard (oops, blasphemy!) some for spurious reasons, not having been the one responsible for the job specification. If there is one thing I have gained through my successes and failures it is insight, a “feel” for the tree and its life from seed to senescence, its grace and ultimate glory as a grandfather of time.

    Thanks to the likes of Neville Fay and Ted green MBE the arb world is more enlightened on the whole subject of ancient trees and veteranisation, and the world seems to be awakening to a new understanding. We have come almost full circle, we grew a distain for harsh techniques and Hepting/ Shigo and others exposed the issues with poor pruning and treatments. A refined approach was born and some of us went on to become masters of the art in fine tip reductions in respect of this new knowledge. We stopped over lifting tree canopies and crucified the “over thinners” we mobbed the “purveyor’s of pollard”. While all this was going on a few of us “labourers” where reading up and taking notes, watching the debates and doing what we where told was the “best practice”.

     

    “I’m not suggesting we abandon this approach, preservation of amenity is a different game altogether”

     

     

    Now it is our turn to give some input to the debate, and I am certain there will be many “old school” climbers ready to join in. The one thing that is blindingly obvious to me is that very little respect is paid to the “experience factor” it is all well and good educating yourself and gaining a degree in arboriculture, but you can never learn from books what you learn by feel; and trees, though they may be the substance (paper) of text books, rarely are trees text book in nature. I mean no disrespect to the “consultants” but you really should pay more heed to the views and experience of climbers. The older climbers have a body of experience gained from a time when we just got on with it, rounding over, pollarding etc. We might never consider doing it these days but we know HOW to do it and how to do it well, skills that are being lost on a generation of climbers who only know the way it is today.

    What this will mean in a decade or two is that people with the very skills the veteran brigade seek to re learn will be lost, how hard can you prune? Where can we make that cut for the best compromise of vascular support and minimal dysfunction? Have we not learnt just how resilient trees can be? Decay and dysfunction are part and parcel of a trees old age, be that from natural progressive infections or via pruning wounds, they are the same end result so why fear them? I am sick to my teeth of being told I can not do this and I can not do that, when I have all my life proven time and time again that it CAN be done, but it has to be with “insight” I fear if we don’t settle the debate soon a whole gap will appear in the generations of veterans as the old ones die while we are all trying to “rediscover” the old ways. The Japanese have been “veteranising” for a thousand years, albeit on a different scale, the principles are the same. The art of producing a miniature ancient tree of visual stature and form is the same art required to recreate the ancient pollards and veterans of the medieval era. You just have to think BIG.

    I have seen some ridiculous attempts at re creating the pollard, and some pretty dire attempts at recession pruning, so bad in fact I doubt Mr X in his white transit with traces of tarmac could do a worse job! I can no longer remain silent walking the old deer parks and seeing trees unmulched unfenced and unloved, they are as much a part of our green and pleasant lands history as any building or monument yet they are left to fend for themselves much of the time despite all the current knowledge available. We need to re-evaluate the pollard fast and to think of pollarding as an option for those old trees considered for felling due to various defects, infections or even subsidence issues. I do not mean the way its done on LA budgets either for those thinking along those lines!

    Some people in the field are of the opinion that pollarding was carried out when the tree was young and while this may be true in today’s scene, it was certainly not the case in the medieval period or Tudor period. I am well aware that there exist few records of the pollarding of old. However the tree is a record of its life, it tells us like a book of a thousand pages what events took place in its life, and when. One only has to look at those old pollards of Burnham to see that pollarding was a brutal practice; the evidence is in the hollow centres. We only have to look at compartmentalisation to see how large the tree was when it was Pollarded. The now hollow stems are the new wood that formed over the dysfunctional core. While the living cambium continued to grow over the now dead part, the demons of D, death, decay and dysfunction (Shigo), moved in and had a tasty supper of lignin and/or cellulose.

    I think there was two ways possibly three of pollarding, and certain that Arborist’s of the time much like the good ones today had a “feel” for their art. I am certain that a tree that had previously been un-pollarded would have had the two major lower limbs left on and been decapitated above this point. This guaranteed that the tree would continue to grow and survive the loss of its head, like the “monarchs without head” a form that is made perfectly naturally. We have to realise that in those times text books where the preserve of the wealthy, these where craftsman whose skills where passed on to a new generation of apprentices. They also had the luxury of more trees to make mistakes with, if one or two died it was no big deal, it made good firewood! Today if we gambled with one of say three oaks on a site we would be justifiably lynched if they was to die from such a brutal practice.

    Now going back to the monarch without head, I am certain that once good re growth was established and of much more slender proportions the now only substantial wood left was also highly desirable and those limbs originally left in place where now cut back to some re growth on their length. I am certain it was this process that created those extraordinarily wide shoulders or “pollard heads” we now see especially in the Burnham beech trees. This is also evident in the way the decay columns extend into the larger thicker sections of these old pollard heads.

    This brings me to the whole demons of D thing again, and I think we need to understand these processes far better if we are to re create our heritage trees for future generations to revere. Its an area of heated debate, and an area that is still to this day largely misunderstood and understudied. I hope to convince the sceptical of the role fungi play in the longevity of trees; this is a co evolutionary process that has gone on for millennia. I have a disdain for the word attack when it comes to fungi, and prefer to think of it as taking advantage of a situation. As with all natural organisms and systems they have a role and a purpose, they are essential and should not be viewed as an “enemy”

     

    I think there may have been a time in history, and not so long ago, when mans activities actualy enhanced Bio diversity, rather than eliminated it. We are losing our way, its time to re think our strategies.

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    not wanting to burst your bubble or tell you what you think, but i sometimes think back to stuff i used to do and think it would be great, but that was then and sometimes we alter our own memories so many times by thinking about them so much that we start to remember all the good bits and see it through rose tinted glasses a little:001_smile:and my back couldnt handle 8 hrs bent over with a saw, and i like cake and coffee to much now anyway:biggrin:

     

    The hardest work i ever did was as a boy on a lifestock farm, to this day it was the best time I ever had, it was hard and i mean back breaking work long hours but that life, just made it all worth while. i guess it all boils down to some people want it easy, others just get on with it cos lets face it, life is graft, end of. you can bitch and moan about it all day and get yourself all uptight wound up and slag the way things are right off, but at the end of that youll still left with a life to get on with and work to do!

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    i think there is now confusion on what you are trying to get across, debate easily slips into arguement, with out assuming any one elses views or what you think we might think, sum up your idea on what direction tree surgeons should be going, whether its a 1 man band or a huge company doing AA aproved work.:thumbup1:then we can get to the bottom of your theories:001_smile:

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    a survey said that the happiest people in britain earnt on average £250 a week, food for thought.

     

    we have more things to bitch about now than ever before, only its worse because were not as tired at the end of the day and we have lost those "evening winter tasks that fullfilled our creative needs and fed our souls.

     

    native crafts are some of the finest art youll ever see, do you think these objects where created by people who had THAT hard a time? these were not made from nescesity, these are elaborate art works, that take many hundreds if not thousands of hours to make and complete.

     

    there is a lot to be said for the old ways, maybe not in the narow view, but on a deeper more spiritual level.

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    i think there is now confusion on what you are trying to get across, debate easily slips into arguement, with out assuming any one elses views or what you think we might think, sum up your idea on what direction tree surgeons should be going, whether its a 1 man band or a huge company doing AA aproved work.:thumbup1:then we can get to the bottom of your theories:001_smile:

     

    what am i supposed to be, some sort of messiah! this is supposed to be about pollards not lifestyles!

     

    o.k maybe this thread is as much about me venting certain fustrations with the way we are today, the way i am TOLD to do my job, like fell to ground a chestnut that has a bee colony in it, on getting to the job i find a gallon of petrol was poured into the hive and oh now it seems the option was given by the LA local forester to pollard it to retain the habitat!

     

    so maybe this thread is as much about me desperatley and i do mean desperatley, to the point off tears trying to change how and why we work so this s99t doesnt happen. so that diversity is encouraged and not discouraged.

     

    and wanting desperatley to stop those ancient woodlands going into terminal decline because to me they are my church, my university and my playground.

     

    but whatever way this thread goes, really doesnt matter, the content is first class and were having a good old tree natter, which is BLINDIN innit!:thumbup1:

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    i hate to have to drop a reality bombshell but in those days while the money might not have been great often housing came with the job, a lot of food would have been readily avaliable on the estate and to be honest, Most people would be happy with the pressure release of that lifestyle.

     

    i come from a family of estate workers, tied houses. You are asuming i dont know about this, i know the reality bombshell when every other kid in the class has a new bike and nice clothes, and i have clothes from a lost property bag and wear wellies to school, oh yes its great that i could split logs every night and weekend over the summer just so we could keep warm in winter because dad couldnt afford the electricity bill, very romantic. Thats why i have grafted by nads off from the age of 14 saving and striving not to go back to that, i have lived in a shack for 5 years freezing, wheel barrowing logs out of a burn, topping sitkas for chrimbo trees, felling larch for strainers, stuff that. I am just back in from my hot tub sitting in a warm house with the heating on not bothered if i dont work till springtime, because i can, so i know what i am talking about, and that was only in the 70's. i cant imagine what it must of been like hundreds of years ago, your kids freezing to death, dying of curable illnesses but you wouldnt of had the money for them. You see my views as synical, not at all, i am a realist, everything i say is from experience, anyone who knows me, knows i am very optimistic in life:001_smile:

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    i come from a family of estate workers, tied houses. You are asuming i dont know about this, i know the reality bombshell when every other kid in the class has a new bike and nice clothes, and i have clothes from a lost property bag and wear wellies to school, oh yes its great that i could split logs every night and weekend over the summer just so we could keep warm in winter because dad couldnt afford the electricity bill, very romantic. Thats why i have grafted by nads off from the age of 14 saving and striving not to go back to that, i have lived in a shack for 5 years freezing, wheel barrowing logs out of a burn, topping sitkas for chrimbo trees, felling larch for strainers, stuff that. I am just back in from my hot tub sitting in a warm house with the heating on not bothered if i dont work till springtime, because i can, so i know what i am talking about, and that was only in the 70's. i cant imagine what it must of been like hundreds of years ago, your kids freezing to death, dying of curable illnesses but you wouldnt of had the money for them. You see my views as synical, not at all, i am a realist, everything i say is from experience, anyone who knows me, knows i am very optimistic in life:001_smile:

     

    well fella, your tone, suggests different. and if you have THAT cosy a life good for you mate, i cant say the same, I have still to work almost seven days a week, when work is avaliable, not lately i cant afford this mortgage on a house i cant afford to renovate, going to school for fees i cant afford and driving a clapped out ford escort that is JUST legal, but I still love my life!

     

    its soulfull man!

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    i have loads of respect for the swampies of the world that are sitting on a plank of wood up a big tree trying to stop a motorway. But the minute someone sits in an armchair in a house with a telly on, mains gas and electricity, a car in the driveway talking about saving the world i have to laugh.:biggrin:

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    i never saw stans post geof, yes a good one indeed, and i totally agree BUT the folk that do all the moaning and groaning and leter writing, walking through ticky tape and demanding to know why, who gave the permision blah blah blah are the toffs, who are out walking their ridge backs and vimeranas and have the brass neck to walk into our sites and give us abuse on how bad the tree looks, and then they head back home to call up their old chum who is a judge or lawyer on memeber of a board of something official, (toffs dont have mobiles by the way)then 10 minutes later we get stopped and told to give them a bit of a thin out, thats why if you look round all the street trees or park trees that have had remedial work done, there is always one half pollarded somewhere..But whats even better, they pop round again in the afternoon for more walkies and ask for the firewood, ha ha. they dont wan to give you a penny for it and make you feel as if they are doing you a favour. lol i would rather throw it on a fire or down a banking. So this also goes back to the days gone by where the workers morral on the big estates were all cap in hand bitterness, so when you got a chance to get one over on the laird they usually did.:001_rolleyes:

     

    Not naive to that down here Steve,I'm lucky,Ihave been both sides of the fence.New thead potential here, 'should an old pollard be left to detiorate,or be beligerantly hacked?'

    You make a valid point here I.M.O.

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    i have loads of respect for the swampies of the world that are sitting on a plank of wood up a big tree trying to stop a motorway. But the minute someone sits in an armchair in a house with a telly on, mains gas and electricity, a car in the driveway talking about saving the world i have to laugh.:biggrin:

     

    Do you know how many times I have considered the "alternative" lifestyle?

     

    i could buy a decent sized wood on the money tied up in these bricks, and you need no planning permision for sub terranian!

     

    trust me, i aint far off the coppice wood and charcoal route!

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    well fella, your tone, suggests different. and if you have THAT cosy a life good for you mate, i cant say the same, I have still to work almost seven days a week, when work is avaliable, not lately i cant afford this mortgage on a house i cant afford to renovate, going to school for fees i cant afford and driving a clapped out ford escort that is JUST legal, but I still love my life!

     

    its soulfull man!

     

    I know exactly where you are coming from tony, you remind me of me a few years ago, you are not happy in life so you are idealising what would be the perfect life. But that doesnt solve your problems just now, if you are working 7 days a week, have a crapy car and cant afford to live, then you need to sort yourself out, doing a course you cant afford isnt going to help, you need to get a hold of your life and make a plan. You have told us you have been robbed, left with finance and debt, you must be stressed out your head. Why dont you have a read through my stress thread mate, i think you will be able to relate to a few things:001_smile:

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