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If its only showing how much you will pay per month and nothing about what it will cost etc - be very careful. Often leasing companies across all industries build in residual values that are inflated just to make the monthly payments look cheap, then depending on what type of lease contract you have that residual value becomes your problem at the end. 

Leasing can be handy as an alternative to HP, particularly for those not trading above the VAT threshold. Buy something on HP and you will have to pay the full VAT up front - this is ok for those who can then claim it back on their next return...

On a finance lease, you pay VAT on each monthly payment, so the VAT is effectively spread over the period. 

Price-wise, they're generally pretty similar. Can be made whatever monthly payment you want really by adjusting the residual value or balloon. A reputable broker or finance company will make sure your residual is reasonable and sensible.

Were you planning to take a main dealer's HP deal? 

Interest costs on that would be a big consideration in costs.

I like hybrids, and I think there is plenty to support them getting a real foothold, but I think for full electric there’s still a bit of work to be done in the energy storage. If there was a car that could do 400 miles in real life conditions, reliably, then we would be getting somewhere. My dad had an electric car until recently when he changed it for a hybrid. 

Nissan Leaf it was - supposed to have a 150 mile range or something but with real driving conditions (hills etc) it was more like 100, often less. 

1 minute ago, LeeGray said:

Electric motors are surely better at towing, and pretty much everything else that I can think of. It’s the cost and lack of demand putting manufacturers off. We need to get our heads around range..how many people tow, off road, heavy loads for hundreds of miles every day in a non hgv?  Electric would probably suit 75% of road users in the uk. Can’t remember the stats but I’m sure you find them online about average journey travelled. It’ll be a while before folk are willing to move though, when most already have something that does all the things the next generation trucks will do at a lower cost to owner albeit a higher cost to emissions, health, noise pollution etc

There are other reasons why an electric car isn't suited to towing - the regenerative braking systems can wind up ruining the drive train for example if you're towing a lot of weight. There are actually only a couple of electric cars which are approved for towing. Yes, towing uses more diesel also, but the effect isn't as dramatic as it is on batteries, as I'm sure Stubby knows fine well.

The range is an issue, but more of an issue is the infrastructure - until there's a charging point as often as there's a petrol station at the moment, and if a 5 minute charge is possible, I can't see it catching on. If you're towing and thus using (a wee bit) more diesel, you can fill up and get on your way.

3 minutes ago, Stubby said:

You know that for a fact then ?

That towing would drastically decrease range?

Yes.

4 minutes ago, Stubby said:

Actually electric motors are pretty much all torque .

Of course yeah...but the point I was trying to make is that application of the twisty force in "overloaded" conditions like slippy surface or towing would put excessive drain on the battery.

Just now, benedmonds said:

It will do 0-60 in 3 seconds..

Which is exactly what you need from a pickup of course!

10 minutes ago, benedmonds said:

 

400+ mile range*

*as long as you don't have to go up a slight hill, tow anything, go off-road, switch to 4x4, or do anything except roll down a hill.

Surely electric doesn't have the torque that a pickup needs for things like towing and off-road? Hence why they're all diesel...

Any strain on that electric motor and you're going to be decimating the battery.

Sometime being the world's only or world's first isn't a good thing. There's a good reason why this hasn't been done already.

I've just recently bought a Ranger (the 3.2 manual Wildtrak) and it is actually brilliant. Don't use it off-road as much as some on here might when I'm out and about in a suit and tie of course, although I have had it off-road and it works well. Gives me plenty of confidence that I wouldn't be stuck if I had to get somewhere inaccessible. I don't have the "Raptor" pack yet of course...which looks like it probably gives it some extra...