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(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
Well aware of the need to plant the smaller shrubs on the outside and I take your point about evergreens. As mentioned, we have a lot of holly around the edges and there are large clumps of rushes to harbour other wildlife (woodcock, for example). I'm planning on trying to establish some heather too and hopefully my pond will attract more wildlife once I stock it with plants (already seen frogs in there!) I still don't want to use glyphosate - I've read arguments both ways but it doesn't gel with my conscience. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a yurt dwelling hippy (no offence to those who are although kudos for having an Internet connection) but one wonders how any trees manage to grow without human intervention? I've got some oak seedlings well essblished in the sward (?) and my philosophy is that the trees that survive will be all the stronger for it I'll be asking for thinning/coppicing advice on here before too long, don't you worry! -
(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
Love the foliage on those red oaks. Will add those to the list for next year... -
(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
Here's a photo of part of the site: The mess towards the top is a pond I'm digging out as there is a spring there. Currently puts out about 3,000 gallons a day. There's a drain at the bottom so I can just dump the lot downhill, which is very satisfying. It fills up in a few hours. Once I've finished digging it, by hand, I'll plant some willow revetments to stabilise it. The woodland will have a ride/path up to the pond and I'm planning on creating a seating area up there to enjoy the view, if we ever get a day where it isn't raining! There are plenty of willow sticks stuck into the ground, a couple of buckets full (400?) so should have a good source of withies in years to come. The timber in the foreground of the second picture are a couple of barrel staves that belonged to a barrel that was placed over the spring in the 40's. I dug them up when I was excavating the pond (there's a book written about our house/land that mentioned the spring but it had been covered over some time ago and was just saturating the land and making it boggy). At time of writing, the water has nowhere to go when it over flows but the white line you can see marks out a future pipeline that will take it down to the ditch. -
(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
It's probably going to be a while before I have any suitable for hammocking - considering sinking some big posts in at the right spacing so I can enjoy them a bit sooner! -
(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
That's my plan. Some of the trees I'm planting are for my grandchildren - seeing as my daughter is only 4, they should be of a good size by then! -
(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
I'm hoping that once they're established a bit of neglect won't matter too much - hoping to coppice a certain amount but I work full time so not expecting a bodger's paradise -
(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
I agree with the native argument, to an extent, but the Woodland Trust don't grant for anything else. I've bought a few hundred spirals in addition to what they're supplying so can plant some differing species next year. As I think I mentioned, I'm a bit confused that they offer sweet chestnut, which isn't native, but don't offer some others. Very tempted to order a load of robinia etc. but think I'll get this batch in first! -
(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
I've exchanged the whitebeam for more alder and aspen but can always try and get some more next year I have some help. I planted a bareroot hedge of about 100 whips in a morning, with membrane, canes and spirals. I know it's a bit later than desired but couldn't afford it without the grant and they took their time. Slit planting is quick and the membrane can wait for a few days. 175 of the plants will be hedged which is fairly quick to do. I take your point about the glyphosate but we'd like to look into organic status if we grow any produce to sell and despite all the good stuff about it, I don't like the thought of spraying chemicals onto my land (and I know putting plastic mats down is hardly environmentally sound but I've made my choice) Nope, English. Sessile prefers better drained soils, I read. We have pedunculate oak around the place anyway and I won't be relying on those for fuel. What makes you recommend sessile, out of interest? The MOREwoods scheme only offers natives. I agree, sycamore sounds ideal for what I want and I'll probably put some in next year to replace the inevitable die offs. I'd also like robinia and ash, neither of which were offered. Italian alder wasn't an option either. We have plenty of holly already in the hedgerows. Hadn't considered larch, don't think it was offered. Thanks! There are some great species to consider for next year. We have a woodland next door and plenty of mature trees around the property so birds aren't short of places to nest. I'm thinking of putting up some posts in due course, with boxes on. Again, laurel and leylandii weren't offered and I wouldn't plant the latter anyway as I don't find it attractive. Have plenty to cut down anyway that will provide decent logs after some good seasoning -
(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
We're not 1,000,000 miles away from the Ashdown Forest but further than 7km My neighbour's wood has quite a lot of rhodie in it which implies acidity. Around our boundary we have oak, beech, holly, willow, hawthorn, gorse, birch, ash (1!), sweet chestnut (1!), hornbeam (1!), privet, elder, Scots pine, leylandii*, apple and pear. I think there's a sycamore in the hedge too. Sounds idyllic when I list them like that! I'll see what happens. If they change them, then all well and good, otherwise we'll just see what will happen * doomed -
(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
Not sure why I didn't select rowan - it was an option. I've asked them if they'll substitute but might be too late to change order now. Not sure whether to try to treat the soil with ash or lime where I plant the whitebeam or just see whether it copes... -
(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
Easy to say, not so easy to organise. I'm going to hire a self propelled mower and give that a go. The brambles aren't that thick at the moment so if I can get it up into the field, it shouldn't be a problem. Bit worried that some of the species I've ordered won't tolerate our soil - should have tested it before but a neighbour tells me it's acidic, which rules out the whitebeam and field maple. Tempted to increase the alder and aspen numbers instead. It's a pity they don't offer robinia or poplar as they grow fast and burn well (especially the former) -
Hang them, I'll plant them anyway.
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Helicopter ploughing sounds like fun
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As mentioned in another thread, I'm looking at planting some blackthorn hedging but various people have brought up the fact that it will send out suckers. This isn't a problem on my side of the fence but would the neighbours the other side have any legal right to complain? It's about 50 yards from their house and against a fairly rough piece of grass but we're not on the best of terms Should I bury a barrier into the ground to stop them suckering?
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I would have thought the top has already died so by cutting it off, you're not harming anything - if willow is anywhere near as potent as I'm led to believe, then it will just resprout. I got bored with pruning my neighbour's willow tree so cut it to a small stump with the chainsaw. In one year the shoots were up to 4m long and an inch thick! I've planted a few hundred cuttings on my land as it's good for weaving (osier)
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(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
When it spreads further than 15m I'll start worrying - I'll be too drunk on sloe gin by then to care anyway. Out of interest, can one dig the suckers up and plant them elsewhere? If I plant them the other side of a ditch then it becomes next door's problem -
That's how you buy willow for planting Bundle of Ten Cuttings of each of 17 Varieties - Yorkshire Willow Online Shop What would I need a PTO for? I'd just hover upside down to keep the grass in check...
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(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
I didn't want to put all my eggs in one basket in case a particular species fails. I can plant more next year but I wanted a varied landscape. The blackthorn will be concentrated around the hedgerows for security and sloes I think at close (30cm, double row) spacing, it's not going to go far. Has to out compete the rushes and brambles first! The oak and beech will be planted away from much of the scrub species (although I thought hazel etc. was an understorey plant? It's not registered. I'm told that it might be possible to register but for the amount we stand to gain, I don't think it's worth the money but might be wrong. As I understand it, to get the SFP we would have needed to register the land years ago -
(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
Of course, I'll be taking regular photos. The grant scheme is essentially a 60% discount. For the 1,500 trees, plus stakes & tubes I'm paying about £1,000 which isn't too bad. The terms and conditions aren't too onerous either - they're happy for me to coppice when trees large enough. I'm dreading 1/4 of your task! I'm hoping they'll give me some satisfaction in 3 years - the willow can be harvested for weaving in one year so that will keep me busy until the other stuff gets a bit bigger -
(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
I'll tell you but you'll need to come and help plant! -
(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
It's so wet that getting machinery up to clear the bracken/bramble is not easy at the moment. Got a farmer coming round this morning to look at it. Don't know what planned landing is - do you mean an open area where the trees can be felled into? -
(First post) Planting a native woodland, East Sussex
spandit replied to spandit's topic in Forestry and Woodland management
Didn't realise cobnuts were distinct from hazelnuts - will look into that. Not sure if walnut was an option on the species list - is it warm enough to grow successfully here? -
I did a rough calculation that an acre of willow planted at 50cm spacings, each producing 10 2m whips a year, when cut into 25cm whips and sold for 50p each (which seems remarkable to me but that's cheap compared to what some places want for them) you are grossing £640,000 a year.... on one acre! We have about 10... but I'll have to leave some of it unplanted as otherwise where would I land the helicopters?
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Hello, I've recently bought an old farm with about 11 acres in 2 paddocks. Apart from some great trees around the edges (and some not so great!) there is no woodland to speak of (one of the hedges is about 5 metres thick in places). Anyway, after some discussion with the Woodland Trust, I was approved for a grant under the MOREwoods scheme (https://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/plant-trees/help-and-support/) and eventually settled on an order of 1500 trees, of 14 native species. We're on sand here but there is a spring in the paddock where I'm doing most of the planting so it's pretty boggy all year round (someone told me once that you can get days in the UK when it doesn't rain ). I'm going for the following: Alder (350) Hazel (200) Beech (125) Hawthorn (125) Oak (125) Sweet chestnut (0 - had originally asked for some but they're out of stock!) Wild cherry (125) Field maple (100) Aspen (50) Blackthorn (50) Crab apple (50) Hornbeam (75) Spindle (50) Whitebeam (50) Scots pine (25) I'm hoping to create some pockets of woodland, mainly around the edges, that will support wildlife (including game cover), provide colour, soak up some water and eventually provide me with a few logs from the faster growing species. In addition to the trees I'm paying for, I've also planted a few hundred willows of different species, with the view of doing some weaving. I might also be planting some ash (which they won't provide due to the dieback) and some sycamore (which isn't apparently native, even though sweet chestnut, which was introduced by the Romans, is...). I'd also like pear because of the blossom and fondness for damp ground. Deliberately avoided birch because they rot so readily and we have plenty around the place so I'd imagine they'll self seed. Most of the species I've selected have counterparts established nearby. Robinia wasn't an option but having read up about on here, I think I'll look into it. Planning on planting the alder at 6' spacings but with a few other species mixed in on the wetter parts. The shrubs and thorns will go along the boundaries or fill gaps in existing hedgerows and I'll dot the odd standard here and there at 3m spacings or thereabouts for the grandchildren to worry about! They recommend spraying with glyphosate but I didn't want to, partly because of the cost but partly because all the water that runs off our land goes directly into a neighbour's lake. I've bought a load of weed matting which is going to be a pain to install but should hopefully give the trees a decent head start! Should I worry about brambles encroaching or will they help to protect the trees (in addition to the tubes/spirals)? I'm sort of dreading it as I know it will look pretty awful for a few years and it's an expensive way of providing firewood but more woodland has got to be a good thing and I'm very jealous of another neighbour's woodland next door.