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yea photinia was my first thought

Ha! Nice one! You're way cooler than me then... I got Clarks slippers!

i needed slippers!!!! Was at my godmothers near bodenham - flipping eck you lot know how to eat in herefordshyre.... she also complained about a local tree surgeon selling her logs that were too big - that wouldnt be you was it!?!?! mind you she hadnt noticed they were nearly all cypress:laugh1:

happy new year & have fun with your helical. sticking with the blakes - like something big, cheap & easy to hold on to:confused1:

On the downside, I snagged the bloody tail of my climbing line on the fecking chain today so I will now have that short rope & longer side strop I've been promising myself.... At least I have a spare 35m length of Aeris in stock though.... ar&e....

know the feeling. eye gone and a thousand bowlines till the next one. hey guess what i got for christmas - a superdry jacket (albeit without the logo, fortunately!)

i would also like to say a big thanks to one and all for the guidance and advice i have been given over the past 12 months from the arb talk group. thank you.

ditto with a mince pie and a vermouth with a cherry on a stick

the nightmare that is christmas, i mean

:thumbup:the nightmare before christmas:thumbup:

or

:thumbup1:blackadders christmas carol:thumbup1:

not exactly a film granted

I've laid a fair few miles of hedge before now, but had not encountered this before.

 

It's 400meters of field boundary, replanting is not going to happen. There are a few gaps that need replanting though. Are any of the "normal native hedge" species ok (not susceptible)?

 

The wood is really pretty indeed but seems to be quite brittle and hard. I've only take the pen-knife though.

 

 

 

Thanks Guys:thumbup:

yep brittle, ay. and likes to hake's mouth as some call it, easily. when i have seen it, the other usual hedgerow suspects seem to be fairly immune.

It really depends how badly infected the hedge is as a whole. If there is a fair mix in the hedge then you can cut out the blackthorn and favour the rest. you can only do what you can do really if extensive planting up isnt an option.

blackthorn will always keep suckering even when suppressed by the fungus, but a heavily infected hedge wont come back well. it actually depends on your local style.....and the role of the 'pleachers' (steepers here) in the regrowing hedge and how important their survival is as opposed to basal growth.

good luck

every decent sized cerasifera i ever see seems to have it! very useful documentation of decline thanks Gerrit - update on the radiata - the owner is happy with the insurance situation on the tree having had it inspected so remains to be seen if she will let me do some pruning.......but its staying put anyway. Thanks.

looks like the contents of hama's christmas stocking tipped out on a log

as a small silver lining, the affected wood, before it goes too spongy gives an awesome contrasting two-tone effect for spoons, turning, candlesticks etc. glass half full and all that!

as tony said, its really common on wild blackthorn and when ive laid hedges infected the regrowth has been poor. i would say despite the appearance of the ripewood being in good nick, it probably wont respond to laying as well as you would like. if its a garden hedge it could be worth a replant with non-susceptibles....

thanks guys. i guess the only way is to ask the stockist if they know, whilst having a couple of options rather being set on the shiniest!!!!! some good info anyway cheers, M

you can probably cut up more than you reckon and split off ring segments with wedges, bars etc.

Has the stream washed away most of the soil off it? Get a stiff brush on it and a bar to poke out soil from between adjacent roots and a bucket to pour water over it. You could budget a new chain into the price or hack off lumps with an axe.....

or just go hire a winch....use old rope & slings, but it sounds like its going to need lifting so its up to you whether you try it in one lump. long poles n old corrugated sheets make skidding easier.

apologies for the xenophobic thread but blundering on....its not just about nationaltiy, infact hardly at all for me its more about freight miles and keeping money in the uk economy......

so we've got DMM (wales i think), At least some petzl and, almost certainly stein, assuming worcs' cider fuelled leaps of logic arent leading us astray.

any more? or is the fact that the brands out-sourrce to different countries to get their products made going to thwart me in my plans to go native, as borntotrot put it:thumbup1:

mix it up.

if you sell the wood or whatever at least it wont all the same.

you'll get sick of the sight of the same logs

its a poor situation for woodland diversity

i have seen monocultures of young ash heavy with canker.

I wouldnt go for much sycamore its a dominant one and low on the biodiversity stakes. If you want some firewood quickly go for a single block of hybrid pops and willows. Ash is a good mainstay for the rest and cherry aint far behind. I wouldnt plant as close as some of the others have said. my ideal would be 3m spacings. It takes a long time planting and thinning can be quite laborious when you could be busy doing other stuff. More to spray etc.

If you want to establish a healthy coppice of the usual native stuff its going to take 20yrs till the first real crop (2nd cut) spacings increased to 5m+. Obviously hybrid stuff will be half this timescale, but then good things come to those who wait!

Good luck on the course, which one are you doing?

 

glad it was helpfull

Cheers Tony - its part of the NPTC Level 3 Diploma in

Work-based Trees and Timber (new i think). I'm on the waiting list.

Thanks also gibbon - all very useful and i appreciate the deeper knowledge of others its possible to call on here

Tip end weight reduction to minimise further loss of primary branches and continual monitoring of crown health thereon seems the way to go. The whole things going to be slimy with rook poop though!

awesome stuff hama thankyou - i can learn a lot from this. its help like this that makes arbtalk such a useful tool to all users. doing a professional tree survey course soon. i cant wait!!!!!!!!

Phaeolus would have nigh bother taking down a monterey

aye but have ye seen it hama?!? i take it you think it should go. Cons Area, near a pub etc etc... Is incremental trunk growth going to guarantee the strength of the woody cylinder? It wont be happening all the way round. And we are back to the buckling v inc. growth thing.....

I have told the owner ( who i have given this link) that i think a second opinion is necessary.....

Not really talking about that tree tony, its hard to make a call on a few photos. I just want to know if anyone knows of a mature, singled stemmed one failing? I've seen Scots pines and multi stemmed Monterey collapse but not in a single stemmed tree. They always seem to have bold stem taper and a mass of large surface roots.

 

The truly knackered ones usually have either a very sparse crown or have shed large pieces from the upper crown, leaving them rather bottom heavy and unlikely to topple

i should perhaps say that i believe the consultant is aware of the infection but has said that there is nothing that needs to be done by surgery. he is a man of considerable experience in these things.

yes indeed as gibbon says this is what gives the tree hope really - i dont think there are many cases of them failing and i am thinking some small amount of work is justified to reduce branch tip weights... It doesnt want to lose any more primary branches. It has lost a not unappreciable amount of the original crown and it wouldnt want to have it its ability to function impaired. thoughts welcome on this.....

I think David will have to wait for the autopsy snaps:biggrin:

Baring in mind Gerrit's words, it probably needs gently managing into retirement, like me but with less prospect of having to do up houses...!!!

If anyone out there has any experience of phaeolus bringing down a monterey, now is your moment to pipe up!!!!

thanks guys, Mark

i know this is an international forum..... but i unpacked my shiny new stein rc2000 the other day and saw it was made in the UK. woohoo!! such a rare thing these days it seems.

i would like to buy british manufacutred gear where there is a choice. So does anyone know any other arb brands/products that are so we can help keep british manufacturing alive?

EXACTLY what the man says, and the consultant wants a slapped wrist IMHO

 

just had a better look at the images and the language is LOUD!

 

buckles, necroses, grey bark and even bark cracks!

i know man i know!!!! I gather the weather wasnt great - maybe it misted up his glasses!!!

Mark,

You'd better follow your instinct, the tree has the bark necrosis with bark throw typical of the mycelium of the necrotrophic parasitic P. schweinitzii killing living tissues at different levels of the trunk, the basal swelling or shell buckling caused by the intensive brown rot in the base and black oozing or bleeding not coming from the infection of P. schweinitzii, but probably caused by rhizomorphs of the in this case secundary necrotrophic parasitic Armillaria ostoyae also invading the living tissues and locally blocking transport.

Thankyou very much Gerritt.

I had read about the association with armillaria and had suspected exactly what you are saying. I think i need to go back to the TO. I am dreading telling the owner who was overjoyed at the (formerly) good news!

I was rather hoping you would say i was wrong!

The consultant has said that he thinks there is still branch extension growth going on and incremental trunk growth occuring, which as you said, could easily be caused by buckling. Its obviously not a smooth cylinder is it!

Much appreciated sir:001_smile:

Try Mumsnet

is it a bit like an avocet?

we need to bury this, then grow up!!!!! after you:biggrin:

The same, obviously

sorry, the h key wasnt working, it is now and i'm feeling saucy

yep i love ornithology what are you talking about?!

so if i got the ecology right, there will be tits everywhere

Have been monitoring a large monterey pine with a 6" fb phaeolus shweinitzii on it about 1ft up from the base. Not a fungus expert but a consultant has given the tree the all clear, but my instinct (ok, probably wrong!) is he's underestimated the risk. Plus my mum helps with the garden under it!

It is also bleeding around a lot of the the lowest 6-8ft.

It borders a pub garden and the pub is just within arc of fall.

Its in a valley (fairly protected except from north - side of fb and large rotting stub)

Has a stream running beside it with some exposed roots (opposite side to pub) 2 m away, 1 m below.

Its in a CA and the TO wanted it looked at!

Has anyone come across a stem/root failiure of radiata due to this fungus? The crown has lost a few primary branches over the years but it looks pretty healthy. Lonsdale book says its pretty aggressive brown rot!!!!?!?!!! It has been fruiting at least 5 years. And what do you reckon about the basal swelling peoples? thoughts/wisdom appreciated!!

Cheers Mark