Liam88

But why? Surely by using the RG as a choker on stems, rather that pulling it through tight unions, it won't get stuck (see pic from rope guide/saver thread). My viewpoint is why spend a long time inserting wire/rubber cores etc in a large spliced eye, when a simple splice to a large ring or a thimble can be done instead (used in the configuration bellow). Cheers

True. Anybody come across anything else similar the thimbles used in the 2010 art rope guides? And how do they compare to a flexible large spliced eye? (see my splicing attempts thread)

I'm keen on making myself a new rope guide. I've made a rope guide in the past (it worked but it wasn't perfect) and always found it hard to find something that keeps the eye open for the pulley to sit in. There are many different ways: -Eye splice with wire in the core -Plastic tubing in a eye splice -Using a large ring etc etc etc Anyway, just been looking at the new 2010 ART rope guides and was thinking about the hollow rings they use for keeping the eye open. Its a great idea but the cost of buying this rare hollow ring must be high. Then it struck me, what about normal rope thimbles? They're cheap and very easy to splice into the system. Anybody tried making a rope guide with one? What would the disadvantages be? Cheers

Right on the money there, but at which measurement will it be? Another challenge: could you rank them in order of strength and justify it?

I'm doing some research on the Locked Brummel splice for my dissertation. Thought I'd make some fun of it and get a poll going (if it works). It will be interesting to see what splicing knowledge is out there. These are just some of the treatments used in my project - the supposedly stronger ones anyway. There are 3 samples per treatment. All spliced the same apart from the bury and taper lengths altered. Rope is 10mm tenex-tec (hollow braid). Splices will be tested to destruction and measured in kg. So which splice is the strongest? Picture shows the splices in question from top to bottom: 10 rope diameter bury (d), 15d, and 20d (of which 25%, 50%, 75% taper for each one). Results to come no more than 2 weeks time. Please feel free to ask any questions. If you could justify your decision as well that would be great. (Please note this is purely for research purposes only and the results should not be adopted as splicing guidance)

Great splicing there. I have the same problem on my rope guide with the large spliced eye. I then made one with some heavy duty hose pipe which does keep the eye open. However, been using it for 4 months now and the hose is wearing where it bends round the pulley which unfortunately is now making my rope guide harder and harder to retrieve! I think the answer is a large metal ring similar to that on the ART rope guides. Not sure where you can buy one that big but I can imagine its costly! As for whipping, I used marlow whipping twine and a sail makers needle from my local chandlers. I double the twine and do a couple of stitches through the rope, similar to samsons instructions just so it doesn't pull though. Then start the wraps and form the yale whipplock. What instruction are you following for your eye to eye friction hitch cords? You have to be careful with altering bury lengths - they are recommended for a reason! Check this site out for clarification of my instructions, its where I got my idea from - https://sites.google.com/a/splicesbynick.com/www/howto

Cheers guys. The water is definitely clearer now. I like the idea of a spicing 'service'!! This week I will be designing my experiment, I will keep you posted Thanks again, Liam

"...but sometimes the manufacturer's unverified claim is all that's asked for. But beware! If you claim your product complies and it doesn't, you will be prosecuted." (The New Approach Directives)

Haha! Thank you for your replies. When you think about it, its actually quite hard to come up with a clear answer! Think of it this way: If I was going to start selling splices that I had done myself, what legislation would I encounter? What I'm trying to achieve is to write a report on the legalities of splicing, what is currently in place and what needs to be changed or brought in. For example, Just been doing some reading on CE marking...please correct me if I'm wrong! It is manditory on products sold in the UK. However, you can claim your product is safe without going through the CE testing as long as it has been independently tested by a notified or competant body(The New Approach Directives). Does this mean that if I send my own splices for testing and keep a record, my splices are legal???? Hope this helps. Cheers Liam

A grey area is one way to describe it I know!! The reason why I started this thread is because the information is scattered all over the place, has become dissolved into opinions and person interpretation. It would be nice to get the facts down in one thread. Just to make it clear, I'm not asking for peoples opinions.

I am doing some research into splicing for a dissertation project and looking for the straight up, black and white legislation on splicing ropes for life support. As I understand is so far: -LOLER regs requires it to be marked, inspected and strong enough -PPE regs require a CE mark and competancy Any other information such as other laws/regulations I've missed, details of CE certification and other info on the SWL limit for life support ropes would be most helpful. Cheers, Liam

Hello Arbtalk! Thought i'd kick start my first post with my recent splicing work. Any questions, thoughts, feelings etc welcome. Attached is 2 adjustible cambium savers made with 10mm roblon double braid, 13mm yale scorch, and DMM anchor rings. Splices were class 1 double braid for roblon and class 1 16 strand for yale scorch. All whipping protected with shrink wrap that contains glue to protect the labels. Cheers, Liam