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Speaking to a guy in Shefford this week, He had his Stihl hedgecutters and disc cutter nicked from his place beginning of the week. He made a phone call and the tools were back the next day. PM me if interested and I'll tell you who it was, perhaps pop round and have a chat with him.

Control the food, control the people - Check. I think an apt motto for all this should be "not on my watch".

So..... Sorry for being a dick earlier:blushing: I'm trying to find information on glyphosate and the urban tree/s. I'm not that hopeful to be honest. Anyway I thought this might be of interest... EFFECTS OF GLYPHOSATE ON SEEDLINGS OF CONIFER AND BROADLEAF TREES SPEClES NATIVE TO BRITISH COLUMBIA, WlTH PARTICULAR REGARD TO ROOT-FUNGUS INTERACTIONS BY Rosye Hefmi Rechnelty Tanjung B.Sc., Universitas Andaias, Indonesia, 1986 M.Sc., University of Tasmania, Australia, 1992 http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=23&ved=0COsBEBYwFg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2Fobj%2Fs4%2Ff2%2Fdsk3%2Fftp04%2FNQ61687.pdf&ei=GdppUL__DIiw0QW8zIGACw&usg=AFQjCNF6lrk_ufxCgBWnW8_weKiDoYUUNw&sig2=50b9B5a6T5Fw4crdXOe7zw I've had to link it through google it's a 185 page pdf (6.5MB) For educational purposes. Interesting pics there Quickthorn, throws up a few questions doesn't it. It would make an interesting long term study:thumbup:

What, you haven't even worked out how to do that yet Where you said air drill, I had visions of you dragging a compressed air drill around with you Anyway De Walt is a big seller over here now, but I think people would perhaps go for Makita, I would go for Hilti personally. Keep up the good work.

Nice idea, have you heard of the "Atom" chainsaw drill attachment?

Life doesn't get better than that:001_smile:

It's alright until you hear CRACK!

The bloke that wrote the book seemed to enjoy it!!!

Is it magic? Because there's a rare psychoactive fungi that "only appears where the woodsman have been working" and now I might have a name for it:001_smile:

Burning is definitely preferable to chipping any day. On an operational level these boys haven't got the time, budget, local tip and in many cases road vehicle access to be carting away chips, fire after all is a natural process. A pile of chippings will just leave a patch of contaminated ground and seepage of tannins back into the water course. An old fire patch will become a nettle patch in next to no time, eventually becoming Nitrogen rich and with the potash highly fertile. Nothing wrong with shear cuts although as a surgeon they horrify me but again much more of a natural "prune" than a branch collar cut. Naturally, branches snap and the resulting "rough" wound becomes a haven for all sorts of life. This is a trees natural process. Anyway Willow's love being treated rough

Posted by Arob-(Having had grant aided grubbing up of orchards a decade or two back perhaps we can expect a reversal of that policy sooner than later?) I believe the reversal of that policy is upon us? I don't know why we are not seeing orchards being planted is it landowners slow on the uptake or are the agricultural grants still messed up and years behind like trying to get a grant for turning land over to "bio-mass"? Perhaps the subject for another thread:001_smile:

Getting back on thread, "Glyphosate and trees" at normal recommended application rates Glyphosate appears to not really bother woody plants such as trees, Ivy and brambles for example, however it will act as a growth inhibitor. Easy to test just go out and give some Bramble a good dose and monitor it over a couple of months. Off thread a bit, a big concern has got to be the subsidies given to farmers for drilling a crop leaving it a month or so and spraying it off just to re-sow another. What is that all about? Another really frightening aspect is the amount put down each and every year by our local authorities with road and footpath weedspraying but perhaps that's for another thread. Interesting discussion everyone, shame there's no immediate answers but heh looking on the bright side the way things are going perhaps in 5 years time there will be huge gangs of us hand weeding for a bowl of rice a day

Point taken.

This is great, seems like we are having a proper debate. Perhaps the best place to start to look for evidence about Glyphosate and trees would be the vast areas of forest in South America that the CIA regularly sprayed by plane in the seventies and eighties to try and eradicate the coca plantations. This was a handy little trial for Monsanto to test their product because at the same time GM crop trials were also going on in the area and the resilience of these crops could be monitored. As has been said before research is one thing but to actually get funding to carry out the research is something completely different again and I suspect just would not happen in the English speaking world. Let's say funding had been secured and research carried out then who would publish the results? I can't see anyone other than a competitor with a new competitive product having the means to get the data out in the public domain. Like I said before if anybody feels that strongly about this issue then the place to look is Scandanavia where I am sure Glyphosate is banned in the public and amenity sectors. The research would certainly be there if anyone could translate it as I am sure certain countries in South America would also have done extensive research. Let's not forget that it is Monsanto we are talking about and Glyphosate for them is just an unimaginable cash cow. Prices go up and down willy nilly according to the time of year. Farmers are drilling winter wheat or rape after harvest just so come Spring they can go out, spray it off and stick the bill in for another ridiculous subsidy. BASIS are just a bunch of old boys, sales, contractors, research? and a token Minister. They just had a meeting in Brussels no doubt very expensive, this meeting lasted a maximum of twenty minutes. The newly appointed head of BASIS Lord someone or other introduced himself said thanks for picking him, it seems like an interesting area to be "working" in lets push the industry forward and create new and exciting opportunities for the future, thanks for coming goodbye. I know we are going off thread with this but it is an important subject and I believe that just because we are brainwashed into believing it's good doesn't mean to say it is. Would we have sprayed our Dogs or Children with DDT in the sixties for fleas? I think the answer is YES we would and we bloody well did! Is Microsoft Windows a good operating system? NO it is not, so how come Bill Gates has taken over the world? Did Professor Diesel develop his engine to run on a dirty filthy waste product from the petro-chemical industry, NO he did not, it was developed to run on vegetable oil, funny how he just disappeared one day never to be seen again. We all have our interests to protect and Glyphosate fills the vegetation control niche nicely. It is however hand in hand with GM crops(that's the big picture and who of us would really want to have these monstrous creations in our back yard?). Monsanto will protect their own interests with there own research and blackmail funding to "independent" agencies. We have our own interests to protect and that is why Glyphosate is so widely used, but lets not lose sight of the fact that we have come from the earth and will go back to the earth and we have not inherited it from our ancestors but borrowed it from our children. Oh my word I'm rambling now, Glyphosate is a salt that is held in liquid suspension. This liquid is as far as I know mostly water, but there are additives such as an adjuvant to help the product stick to its target and other things I can't remember, so although we are talking Glyphosate the actual product the consumer uses is not actually just Glyphosate. I wonder if research reflects this? While I'm at it someone coming on here claiming that in "another life" they worked in development of pesticides in the Agrochemical industry" and if you're not in the BASIS club watch what you say because you could be prosecuted blah, blah, blah....... Well I really don't want to come across as demeaning in any way but was your spelling that bad when you were copying down formulas???? Could you not be bothered to use a spell check????? I personally find that highly insulting. Just about sums up the state of corporate Britain plc. Anyway people peace on earth and remember 95% of statistics are made up, or was it 75%? or is it 33% of statistics are not made up... can't remember....... A Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year to all..

Mmm nice, oily warty melon lol