Deferred Consent.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Can't suggest a solution Gary, sorry...

 

I just wanted to float in what I think could be a possible negative unintended consequence of what might be considered (by the private / domestic tree owner) as overly conservative application of the regs and potential perceived (again, by the private / domestic tree owner) intransigence (by TO/PO) in achieving mutually satisfactory solutions.

 

Where a householder feels they have been exposed to a negative experience (wether fairly or otherwise depending upon which side of the fence you're on) I think it's highly likely that they will form a life-long antithesis towards all things TPO and probably trees in general.

 

As a consequence, and instead of creating an ally, ways may sought to avoid future TPOs, remove immature trees and circumvent planning and environmental regulations all to the long term detriment of sustaining, maintaining and improving the treescape.

 

A fine balance needed to be sure......

[Ian Flatters]

But all those bloody leaves!

I love trees, but I also like long walks on the beach and firewood

 

 

Sorry mark. Couldn't resist.

 

I've only had this kind of thing once. A fair few beech trees need to come down. We've done the last one the other week and are about to replant once the water logging goes away. Same species and over 10 years. We got it in writing from the TO at the district council. Although it's the client whose really in charge of if we finish it off or not.

[Gary Prentice]

Can't suggest a solution Gary, sorry...

 

I just wanted to float in what I think could be a possible negative unintended consequence of what might be considered (by the private / domestic tree owner) as overly conservative application of the regs and potential perceived (again, by the private / domestic tree owner) intransigence (by TO/PO) in achieving mutually satisfactory solutions.

 

Where a householder feels they have been exposed to a negative experience (wether fairly or otherwise depending upon which side of the fence you're on) I think it's highly likely that they will form a life-long antithesis towards all things TPO and probably trees in general.

 

As a consequence, and instead of creating an ally, ways may sought to avoid future TPOs, remove immature trees and circumvent planning and environmental regulations all to the long term detriment of sustaining, maintaining and improving the treescape.

 

A fine balance needed to be sure......

 

All valid points, which I can't disagree with. One particular point is the Area TPO is 35 years old. The landscape changes, as do the trees - so it appears to the owner although it's not a particularly good tree it's being retained due to the lack of review.

 

If we could improve the successful replanting statistics, it may reduce the 'keep at all costs' mindset and allow a bit of flexibility about trees that upset people/ are lower value/need pruning to fit regularly.

 

At present I feel I've a foot in path camps, understanding the LA side and why they feel forced to make decisions and the client sides who think some trees are making their lives intolerable. It's difficult when the client sees huge council/public tree losses for metrolink schemes and the such, then can't see why they have to keep theirs. Or the loss on development sites to meet housing targets.

 

I wish I had some better answers, but it feels like everyone is pulling against each other with usually totally different aims. I have no real answers, but think we're still heading towards future problems with limited species and age diversity, pathogenic losses etc. Where are we going to end up in 30,40, 50 years.

 

I would hope that everyone starts getting on the good management principle of 'the right tree in the right place' - all we seem to do is cut back to make trees fit, day after day, or fell trees totally unsuitable for their location. Seems pointless, but it keeps the contractors/tree surgeons employed (of which I'm one) I question more and more often what we are actually achieving (apart from being employed) as it just seems a merry-go-round without any real successful gains.

 

Ignore my depressive state, with three hours of paperwork before I go home (for what?) it seems so pointless at the moment. Maybe time for a career change.

 

Gary

[Gary Prentice]

It's still green now!!! Must be warmer where you are😉

 

It will be big and green soon:001_tt2:

 

Sorry mark. Couldn't resist.

 

I've only had this kind of thing once. A fair few beech trees need to come down. We've done the last one the other week and are about to replant once the water logging goes away. Same species and over 10 years. We got it in writing from the TO at the district council. Although it's the client whose really in charge of if we finish it off or not.

 

I don't know about in other areas, but replanting is not that successfully enforced locally. Generally felling results in a net loss because of the lack of resources on the LA's part to pursue it. Clients don't want to spend another £80 -£100 on a decent sized tree when they see them as a problem to start with. I've no answers.