L/A street trees.

[Mesterh]

I understand the reasoning Bob, but surely this approach would not facilitate as stable a root plate as a low stake would?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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They have to use the same staking methods here or every single tree gets snapped!

 

Seems to work well enough.

[David Humphries]

They have to use the same staking methods here or every single tree gets snapped!

 

Seems to work well enough.

 

 

 

I'm wondering around whether this is a false economy in the long run, due to poorly estabilished Trees having to be replaced earlier in the grand scale of things anyway.

 

May be, money spent on decent planting pits, decent sized stock & aftercare/maintenance may be more cost effective?

 

 

 

 

 

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[Bundle 2]

I think that staking is a design to alleviate leverage on the root ball/system whilst it becomes established...end result is a tree that stands upright not on the p88s....the other objective is to allow movement of the stem ( flexing) as this encourages active incremental growth patterns that increase strength and taper more akin to open grown habits....well thats the theory anyways!

[bob]

I understand the reasoning Bob, but surely this approach would not facilitate as stable a root plate as a low stake would?

 

 

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tree is better than no tree tbh

and after the first year and folk have got used to the tree been there they seem to leave em alone

and we find reducing the stake every couple of years works for us and the trees seem to put a decent enough root plate down by the time we remove them

but am interested by others views and experiences

[Mesterh]

How many years after removing the stake would you expect the tree to fail due to poor root system?

 

I'll try and take some photos over next few days.

[Bundle 2]

I am persuaded by the ideology that it must all start with nursery stock and methods....Good plants with good roots.....soil testing and inprovement, species selection and aftercare...pit consideration methods..it goes on and on....

Its a sad indictment that " a tree " is better than "no tree "...Im not so sure tbh!

[David Humphries]

How many years after removing the stake would you expect the tree to fail due to poor root system?.

 

Unanswerable, too many variables.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Mesterh]

I am persuaded by the ideology that it must all start with nursery stock and methods....Good plants with good roots.....soil testing and inprovement, species selection and aftercare...pit consideration methods..it goes on and on....

Its a sad indictment that " a tree " is better than "no tree "...Im not so sure tbh!

 

Thing is though how much of a waste of money plus how disheartening must it be spending all that time and effort sourcing the right tree and following the 'correct' procedures in planting to find it snapped in two the next day.

 

I assume that lots of mature street trees that were planted way back when high staking was considered the norm and they have survived quite well.

 

Is it really that bad staking at 6-7 feet rather than 1?

 

I doubt that most high staked trees fail within a year or 2 of removing the stake, and surely if they last that long then they should be on there way.

 

Although I aint a clue about planting(well not much anyway) so I may need enlightening

[Bundle 2]

The ideology goes something like this I guess....

Those trees that are prepared in line with the british standards on nursery stock will go on to stand a better chance of survival if planted in line with best practice guidance for planting, pit design and drainage and soil considerations....Those that succeed are not a waste of money if they produce tree stock that can be relied upon to fulfil its potential....as opposed to growing into poor specimens requiring maintenance over and over again only to fail ( perhaps from root plate morphology resulting from poor production ) which duly requires the resources and time demanded of the situation and deemed right and proper by the rest of society if, for instance, the failure resulted in a fatality or costly damages to property....

Much better in my mind to allocate an appropriate level or resources to the management of trees from the first instance.

I cannot regard the loss of trees from anti-social behaviour as an adequate reason to only plant poor specimens-

[Mesterh]

I dont think they use rubbish stock trees, they use heavy or extra heavy standards but just stake them high.

 

Personally I cant see a tree that is say 40-50 years old and in good health failing due to poor planting. Surely if its planted poorly or hasnt developed a decent root system it would show long before it reaches a size that could be classed as a hazard.

 

I would rather see trees planted with a 7 foot stake and a mesh guard than not planted at all.