MA climbing systems.

[DrewB]

Why the question mark ? You know i said it . Please enlighten me . cheers

 

Sorry bro, hope no harm was done. I just find rads to be a rather inefficient way of climbing an srt line. For me it turns the 1:1 benefit of srt into a 3:1 (?) system. It's a good system and if I works for ya then sweet as

[Paul Smith]

Sorry bro, hope no harm was done. I just find rads to be a rather inefficient way of climbing an srt line. For me it turns the 1:1 benefit of srt into a 3:1 (?) system. It's a good system and if I works for ya then sweet as

 

That's a very valid point Drew!

[skip]

lol, rads is a slow way to ascend if you're good at srt or DdRT for sure but we knew what he ment, as with cycalists everyone has an optimum RPM and as such different riders chose higher or lower MA's.

 

Secondly, PLEASE do not use a gri-gri in a rads system, they were not designed for such and there have been several accidents with them, look at which way it is sprung...........................OPEN a gri gri is a belay device and should be treated as such just like any other stitch plate or F8

the last load of IRATA guys i saw using them was before the rig, they wanted light compact gear and they hated the ID anti-panic-descent function. after ascending or desending they locked it off with knots as they had soon realised that the gri-gri had a tendancy to slip!

 

Use an ID or a rig x stay safe people x

[born2trot]

lol, rads is a slow way to ascend if you're good at srt or DdRT for sure but we knew what he ment, as with cycalists everyone has an optimum RPM and as such different riders chose higher or lower MA's.

 

Secondly, PLEASE do not use a gri-gri in a rads system, they were not designed for such and there have been several accidents with them, look at which way it is sprung...........................OPEN a gri gri is a belay device and should be treated as such just like any other stitch plate or F8

the last load of IRATA guys i saw using them was before the rig, they wanted light compact gear and they hated the ID anti-panic-descent function. after ascending or desending they locked it off with knots as they had soon realised that the gri-gri had a tendancy to slip!

 

Use an ID or a rig x stay safe people x

 

Your right , it is always sprung open . So i can simply replace the gri gri like for like with an id or Rig ? I would genuinely love to see some ' experts ' ascend srt if they think rads is slow , i mean how quick does it have to be

 

Ps . I always back it up with a french prussik as i would do with any descender just in case

[softbankhawks]

As well as being sprung open the grigri has been tested to slip at 600kg on a static 10mm rope. What does this mean, hell I dont know (!) but it means something for sure. A grigri was not designed with any industrial application in mind. Its a sport rock climbing device and at a push I will use one in a recreational climbing system. There are many tree tools available, I'd encourage people to us em.

RADS is slow and in-efficient. It creates a wonderful MA quickly and has certain applications but for straight ascent.....it sucks.

There are so many systems that you can set from the ground. If speed aint your thing then try out the 'super system' from Tree Climbers International which gives a 5:1 MA.....designed with Nigella Lawson in mind.

[Paul Smith]

As well as being sprung open the grigri has been tested to slip at 600kg on a static 10mm rope. What does this mean, hell I dont know (!) but it means something for sure. A grigri was not designed with any industrial application in mind. Its a sport rock climbing device and at a push I will use one in a recreational climbing system. There are many tree tools available, I'd encourage people to us em.

RADS is slow and in-efficient. It creates a wonderful MA quickly and has certain applications but for straight ascent.....it sucks.

There are so many systems that you can set from the ground. If speed aint your thing then try out the 'super system' from Tree Climbers International which gives a 5:1 MA.....designed with Nigella Lawson in mind.

 

Wish Nigella Lawson came to one of our meets!!

[BenR]

If I remember rightly, RADS stands for Rubbish Ascent/Descent System.. The standing up motion is 1:1 but pulling the slack through to capture progress is 3:1 which to me defeats the purpose of SRT.

[skip]

lol what does RADS actually stand for? Ben i think your thinking of a variation on the rads, with an ascender & footloop above the rig, when using this method you dont put the MA in you stand then pull the tail vertically up to capture progress, the rope is only routed through a pulley to create an MA when you are going to haul on your hands.

 

Paul: love the nigella refrance, can i put it on my new website? and the gro-gri also slips at much lower loads, especially so, i remember a trunk belay set on one at a rec event, it was locked off so perfectly safe until a boy was lowered and then it was not locked back off, the poor lad that went on next couldnt seem to get off the ground, he insisted the ID that he was on was slipping, in fact the ID was not slipping but comically he'd ascend a little way then slide back down to the floor as the gri-gri on the trunk belay wasnt engaging i struggled not to wet my self, it was like something out of a charlie chaplin moove (perhaps you had to be there ;-) )

[BenR]

Haha, I Dont even use RADS! Its supposed to be rapid ascent/descent system. Full SRT or DbRT for me. If I can lift my self SRT or DbRT why would I need 3:1. I guess its good for getting rec climbers and first timers off the ground, but theres just far too much rope to tend for me.

[Paul Smith]

Skip, just realised who you are!