Jobs for the boys! - More qualifications

[johnnyalpha]

It's not that I'm against certificates but it's the multi layering as Tony says.

I hold

A degree in Forestry and forest products

AA tech cert

CITB Site Supervisor

Controller of Site Safety Network Rail

IPAF

CS 30,31,32,36,37,38,39,41

NPTC chipper, stump grinder, brush cutter

UA 1,2.1,5

Basic Electrical Safety Competence, National Grid Persons

Unit 10 Supervisors Signing Lighting Guarding

NPTC thorough examination of arb equipment

3 day first aid as well as others

I also own and run a successful AAAC yet I still have to take a basic health and safety test day to renew my CSCS. My teams are very similarly qualified and that's what irks. That there is always another hurdle and someone wanting your money just so you can go to work

[rick k]

Just a thought. But Surley once upon a time. Stupid / careless / thick people would hurt themselves early into there career and get out of the industry and go find a job serving burgers in mcdonalds, now we Molly coddle them along in a politically correct way causing them to have more responsibility and therefore when they eventually do have that inevitable accident it's more serious, increasing statistics with the end result being everybody has a stoopid amount of hoops to jump thru just to days work, this raising the cost of that days work dramaticley.

 

Don't get me wrong. Tickets have there place and we should all have to prove our competence. But this what they should be for and not just a money maker for people, that don't make anything or anyone any safer

 

Rant over

[Rich2484]

Forgive the ignorance guys - I'm a newbie - but what were you all talking acronyms about? I know the CSs, MEWP, and a few others.

But what are: CSCS cards; Rolo 1-day(Chocies); PTS; Unit 2 Signing and Lighting; CITB Site Supervisor; CPCS tickets; IPAF 1B tickets??!!

 

I can help with some. Cscs is construction skills certificate scheme basically means you know the dangers of a building site and what to look for.

 

Cpcs is construction plant certificate scheme, means you can use a machine, colour of card depends on what you can operate.

 

Pts is a rail track ticket that means you can walk onto or work near a live railway line. So the signing and lighting is a lookout on railway lines.

 

Citb is for a site supervisor and means you can play a supervisor role on site.

 

 

 

 

Tickets are needed to protect everyone as its now a sue everyone in sight time, years ago you hurt yourself it was a man up and get on with it time.

[rick k]

I can help with some. Cscs is construction skills certificate scheme basically means you know the dangers of a building site and what to look for.

 

Cpcs is construction plant certificate scheme, means you can use a machine, colour of card depends on what you can operate.

 

Pts is a rail track ticket that means you can walk onto or work near a live railway line. So the signing and lighting is a lookout on railway lines.

 

Citb is for a site supervisor and means you can play a supervisor role on site.

 

 

 

 

Tickets are needed to protect everyone as its now a sue everyone in sight time, years ago you hurt yourself it was a man up and get on with it time.

 

Nearly right.

 

Citb is the old Cpcs. Cpcs is the equivalent of cscs but for machine operators and the color of Cpcs represents the length of time held and the level of qualification reached

[Rich2484]

Nearly right.

 

Citb is the old Cpcs. Cpcs is the equivalent of cscs but for machine operators and the color of Cpcs represents the length of time held and the level of qualification reached

 

Really? You can't get cpcs without cscs and they change your card.

 

The colour on mine is yellow, fully qualified.

 

It is not the time held but rather the qualification reached.

 

Some usefull links.

 

CPCS - ConstructionSkills

 

CSCS Cards: Construction Skills Certification Scheme Cards

 

But this is de railing the thread a little.

[johnnyalpha]

CITB is the construction industry training board they award cpcs for machines and cscs for trades in various colours due to skill levels. You used to do a touch screen test for the cscs and you had your card. A basic understanding of h and s all you needed. This allowed you onto construction sites and was bolstered by your NPTCs etc.

Since last year so I'm informed BALI have become the scheme administrators for the landscaping, arb, ecology and fencing fraternity. They now give you a Register of Landscape Operators card once you have done the touch screen test and their specific h and s day. This is where another scheme organiser has jumped into make money! It's all backed off the National Highway Sector Scheme which most people on sites seem to ignore!

So instead of it being a simple hours test we are

Now having to put 15 staff members through a more basic than our standard health and safety courses to renew our cscs. That's a cost of £3000 which in the past would have cost around £600! I would prefer to spend the money on skills advancement for our teams rather than pole hopping. We spent in excess of £20k on training last year so the cost isn't the issue it's the retreading of old ground and not broadening training and experience opportunities!

[harvey b davison]

I refuse to do the cpcs cards, i tend to do the cheaper alternative cards ( Npors, ittsar ) etc, i know they are not as widely excepted, but i tend to find work with them, the training is just the same but ££££'s cheaper.

 

Also, how come non of this applies to farmers ( as i believe )

[Rich2484]

Agriculture is a complete different ball game. I don't get why either but I know a farmer doesn't need a chainsaw ticket for cutting back trees and hedgerows on there own land.