What makes a good Groundie???

[SAW]

just read the first few points on the 30 odd point list posted above. That'd be enough to scare the **** out of ya . Half of that is the responsibility of the boss, or at least a crew leader:ohmy:, I know treehouse and masterblaster are a hugely respected site/person, but lets give the kid a break.

 

From your post in jobs wanted (SAW)I can see that you are new to arb and your question is a genuine one, wanting advice on groundie work, skills etc.

 

Your'e half way there in my opinion in that:

 

a) You want to get into treework = 1st box ticked

b) Your'e doing some NPTC's so you'll be able to use a chainsaw

 

Groundies are underated IMO and the list does demonstrate why, as there is actually quite a bit to learn.

 

Climbers, it is often said, make the best groundies as they really know the needs of the climber, especially during lowering operations. But you should be able to get a start on the strength of a) and b) above and learn the mighty list on the job.

 

Good luck with getting a start

 

Just noticed, in defence of the mighty list, it is headed - 'How to become an excellent groundsman' so there is hope for the sanity of the 50 quid a day man, maybe a pay rise!!!

 

Thanks paulsbrash,

 

I'm trying to work from the roots up really....But all you hear is "You have to have XX years experience and so on".....

But how can you get experience if no one is willing to give you a try????

"Also college is no good it's hands on work that's what is needed"......

 

Should i go to college or volunteering,but they don't pay the bills,so it's a catch 22 really.....

Thanks for all your time....Keep that info/help coming:thumbup1:

[Bob Rolfe]

Watching what the climber is doing is high on the list along with common sense and spatial awareness.

 

here here, i was reducing a beech on sunday and there weather was really really bad, got down soaked, thought id done a good job till i looked from the side angle to the house and ive left a whole limb unreduced darn it and i asked how the tree look. customer seemed to be happy but the tree is on my way home and i see it every day. i know it goin to get right on my nerves im going to have to go back to the house some time soon and say "look sorry mate but you know i pruned your tree the other day well theres a bit i kinda left and its getting on me wick a little is it alright if i just get up it and whip it off before it drives me insane" hes either going to think im a complete nutter

[Husqvarna King]

here here, i was reducing a beech on sunday and there weather was really really bad, got down soaked, thought id done a good job till i looked from the side angle to the house and ive left a whole limb unreduced darn it and i asked how the tree look. customer seemed to be happy but the tree is on my way home and i see it every day. i know it goin to get right on my nerves im going to have to go back to the house some time soon and say "look sorry mate but you know i pruned your tree the other day well theres a bit i kinda left and its getting on me wick a little is it alright if i just get up it and whip it off before it drives me insane" hes either going to think im a complete nutter

Pitty not all tree firms have the same attitude as you mate

[Peter]

Just get in there after dark and prune it ninja style! The customer will never know.

[raafbeard]

MasterBlasters list is a good document of practical and aspirational qualities which a good/excellent groundsman would have or try to achieve.

 

Possibly more helpful would be a short list of points on how to avoid being a crap groundsman.

 

I'll start of with a couple:

 

Remember what kit you use on a daily basis, and what is required for more specialised tasks/operations. Help as much as you can in the loading of the truck at the beginning of the day, the unloading on site, the loading after work (be careful to ensure you have everything with you that you brought and be concious of where pieces of kit are during the job), make sure you help unload at the end of the day and remember what goes where and how it is stored. Remember you don't clock off until all the kit is away and you have been told to go. Home time isn't always on the bell.

 

Watch the Climber and as said learn to pre-empt their next move and assist as appropriate.

HOWEVER watching the Climber does not mean endlessly staring at them for the duration of the climb. Be aware when they are working and where they intend to work next. Whilst the Climber is working try to clear as much brash as possible without endangering yourself.

Ultimately the tidiness of the work area is your responsibility and you must therefore control brash levels and ensure it is chipped and processed effectively whilst maintaining a safe work site. Communicate clearly with the Climber when you will be entering the drop zone or establish a period where they will cease work for you to clear.

 

I think these are the most important areas for your focus initially.

 

2 quick ones:

- don't take a handful when you can manage an armful, or two

- never go anywhere empty handed unless absolutely necessary ie. time is a significant factor.

 

Also finally remember time is money, it is in your interest as well that the job is done in an efficient manner and doesn't drag on longer than needed.

 

Hope that helps - enthusiasm and interest also are very positive.

 

Currently thinking I am a right git to newbs, whilst I am still new myself. However in my short time I have seen some right no-hopers and by simply following the above they would have shown so much more potential.

[turbull]

turning up monday's

[Andy Collins]

Watch the size of the timber the climber is cutting, be ready with the larger saw when he gets to the stage it will be needed, ensure it is fuelled,, warmed and check the chain tension.

Listen to the saw note, if it starts revving high, get the fuel can ready, maybe a water bottle too for the climber while your re-fuelling.

If the client offers you a cuppa, ask them if you can both have one when the climber descends later.

If it starts to rain heavily, do NOT take shelter in the truck while a climber is aloft, keep an eye on him and ensure all clothing and kit is put in the dry. If he's out in the rain, so should you be.

Keep all ropes clear of brash and tangles. Ensure climber is aware you are below.

When rigging, do not position yourself in the area of the drop, in case of equipment failure.

[turbull]

goes chippy at dinner

[turbull]

obeys orders

[SAW]

Thanks,keep'em coming!!!!!!